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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by mohaine »

coding123 wrote: post #58
leesec wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pleasure of driving for me does not come from making thousands of micro-adjustments constantly, in fact that's what makes a road trip exhausting. Autopilot reduces the stress and decision fatigue.

I don't get this. Isn't it nightmarish since no one has any idea when it will veer into some random object?

Not at all. The only place they ever "veer" is when the lane markings are lacking, which isn't very common. It is especially uncommon on the long, boring stretches of interstate that seem to drag on forever when driving.

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Post by tristanperry »

coding123 wrote: post #58
leesec wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pleasure of driving for me does not come from making thousands of micro-adjustments constantly, in fact that's what makes a road trip exhausting. Autopilot reduces the stress and decision fatigue.

I don't get this. Isn't it nightmarish since no one has any idea when it will veer into some random object?

"when"?

It'd only be nightmarish if the driver (and passengers) have no faith in autopilot.

.. in which case, I doubt the road-trip would be driven entirely on autopilot.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by addflip »

jak92 wrote: post #29

I'd like a tesla but not comfortable with their data policy. If tesla provides a way to opt out I may consider a base model 3 in the future.

I own a BMW i3 and the Tesla Model 3. Both have cellular connections and are constantly pinging their motherships. At least on the Tesla I have the option of opting out. No such ability is available on the BMW.

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Post by zmodem »

_ph_ wrote: post #51
readhn wrote: post #28

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Whats is the all in final cost for a Tesla 3 that you guys are paying in Switzerland? Im guessing its at least a double of a promised $35K USA price?

The USA prices are always without taxes while European prices usually contain VAT, which can be as high as 20%. On top of that there are import duties at least into EU countries. Most importantly, the deliveries in Europe started with the AWD configurations which start at $50k in the US too.

> VAT, which can be as high as 20%

25% in Sweden

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by Reason077 »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #42
Reason077 wrote: post #34

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The Tesla Model 3 is very capable of long road trips, especially in the summer, with a range of 500km or more. The only exception would be if you’re driving in very remote areas with no charging infrastructure, but that almost doesn’t exist any more in Western Europe. The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance trav…

You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

Charging is really not much of a “cognitive load” in my experience. The navigation system can plan it for you, suggesting exactly where you should charge and how long it’ll take.

As for extra time spent charging? I guess there are those out there who really do drive more than 4-5 hours at once without stopping for a meal, stretch, toilet break, etc. But surely they’re a tiny minority.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by netsharc »

coding123 wrote: post #58
leesec wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pleasure of driving for me does not come from making thousands of micro-adjustments constantly, in fact that's what makes a road trip exhausting. Autopilot reduces the stress and decision fatigue.

I don't get this. Isn't it nightmarish since no one has any idea when it will veer into some random object?

Users of autopilot probably have faith in it, although in some cases (like the guy running into the concrete divider) this caused their deaths.

I guess your mindset is different to the grandparent poster's mindset. He thinks autopilot is as reliable as a human chauffeur, to you (and probably to me too) it'd be like having a driver which you can't communicate with and might suffer epilepsy and fatally yank the wheel at any point, so you have to keep paying attention to his driving.

Interestingly this mindset difference also exists in Tesla, the marketing department promotes 1 version, and the legal department says the other...

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by asdfuadirea »

_ph_ wrote: post #51
readhn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats is the all in final cost for a Tesla 3 that you guys are paying in Switzerland? Im guessing its at least a double of a promised $35K USA price?

The USA prices are always without taxes while European prices usually contain VAT, which can be as high as 20%. On top of that there are import duties at least into EU countries. Most importantly, the deliveries in Europe started with the AWD configurations which start at $50k in the US too.

8% in Switzerland.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by rootusrootus »

_ph_ wrote: post #51
readhn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats is the all in final cost for a Tesla 3 that you guys are paying in Switzerland? Im guessing its at least a double of a promised $35K USA price?

The USA prices are always without taxes while European prices usually contain VAT, which can be as high as 20%. On top of that there are import duties at least into EU countries. Most importantly, the deliveries in Europe started with the AWD configurations which start at $50k in the US too.

It's not really practical to include taxes in US prices. Some of us don't pay any additional tax on car purchases.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by wil421 »

ed_balls wrote: post #38
readhn wrote: post #28

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Whats is the all in final cost for a Tesla 3 that you guys are paying in Switzerland? Im guessing its at least a double of a promised $35K USA price?

Is it really 35k in USA? Prices in Europe include taxes.

Some states have sales tax on cars and others do not. My state Georgia has a 6.5% sales tax (might be more in 2019). We used to pay a yearly tax on the average value for you make/model/year but now you just play a flat rate at sale time.

Your county or city could also impose a tax on top of the states rate. It’s complicated and I’m sure it’s why car companies don’t list taxes in the US on their websites.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by EngineerBetter »

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

I drove from the UK to Ålesund, Norway and back in a Model X, which was about 1,300 miles in each direction. Did it on the way home with two kids in the back.

Long trips in a Tesla are totally doable.

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