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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by i_am_proteus » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:23 PM UTC

swozey wrote: post #88

Ntrails wrote: post #67

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> You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic. That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. It's weird, I've never actually thought of changing gear as a hassle or something that makes driving un-fun. Stop and go traffic is a game, where the goal is to not brake. Gears give me an additional way to achieve that goal. For me it's way more engaging and helps me pay more attention to the roa…

Have you driven a motorcycle or a high horsepower car with a stiff clutch in stop and go traffic? I developed leg problems from my Cobra a decade ago. Sitting in traffic was absolutely miserable. Same with bikes, except there you're also covered in sweat the entire time so it's even less pleasant. My DCT BMW was also annoying in stop and go traffic and I didn't even have to manipulate the gears. I still find shifting…

If you're on a motorcycle in stop-and-go traffic, just keep it in second gear and lane split.

Even if it's not legal. If you're in clogged traffic, They can't get you, and you'll see the fuzz before they see you since you'll be overtaking.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by Erlich_Bachman » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:26 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #25

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

Road trips are a joy with autopilot.

Many other manufacturers have the same functionality that tesla calls autopilot. It is called "lane assist". The car steers itself and keeps inside a lane. Tesla's might be 10%-20% "better" in terms of which roads it will stay on, but since a human needs to keep attention on it anyways, it is basically same functionality.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by natch » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:32 PM UTC

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

>I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (namely long road trips in the summer).

Yeah most electric cars aren’t ideal for long road trips, but I wouldn’t generalize that to a Tesla. Definitely the long range config is a good one to get though. The extra money you spend will be made up on maintenance savings and fewer surprise breakdowns from bad gas, watered-down gas, or other issues on those long trips.

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Post by dsfyu404ed » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:33 PM UTC

Reason077 wrote: post #75

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #42

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You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

Charging is really not much of a “cognitive load” in my experience. The navigation system can plan it for you, suggesting exactly where you should charge and how long it’ll take. As for extra time spent charging? I guess there are those out there who really do drive more than 4-5 hours at once without stopping for a meal, stretch, toilet break, etc. But surely they’re a tiny minority.

Do you really always stop for your meal break somewhere there's a supercharger? A meal and a charger are not located in the same place for most people most of the time.

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Post by sabareesh » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:34 PM UTC

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

I am bit conflicted about the opinion on long road trips is because now I cant think of any other car other than Tesla for Long Road Trips because 1. Auto Pilot takes so much stress away. For starters consider it as ADAS 2. Never had problem with charging where i live. 10 to 20 minute stop for another 4 hrs drive in average.

I did a long road trip from San Diego to Breckenridge more than 2000 miles (round trip) and never had range anxiety and trip was more enjoyable than any other car

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Post by dsfyu404ed » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:34 PM UTC

govg wrote: post #94

sailfast wrote: post #61

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For a Model 3 even with readily available charging that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge, and you've gotta do that 2-3x to get from, say, Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip. Figure 15 Euro minimum to use the charger during that time? (I'm using range numbers and charging costs available on the web to run this calculation) I know it's _possible_ to get somewhere without range anxiety…

I think the idea is that you use the superchargers as part of a meal stop that you would make with an ordinary car anyway. If you stop every X km with a regular car for breaks, and Tesla's network ensures you can always find a supercharger in these steps, you can stop, eat / refresh yourself and by the time you're done your car will be ready to make the next leg.

When was the last time you saw a supercharger in a fast food or restaurant parking lot? I live in a part of the Northeast where Teslas are very popular but I haven't seen one.

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Post by natch » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #42

Reason077 wrote: post #34

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The Tesla Model 3 is very capable of long road trips, especially in the summer, with a range of 500km or more. The only exception would be if you’re driving in very remote areas with no charging infrastructure, but that almost doesn’t exist any more in Western Europe. The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance trav…

You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

If cognitive load is what you care about, you should try autopilot’s cruise control with distance keeping. Stress erased from driving and cognitive load lifted almost completely.

The win from this overcomes any cognitive load from thinking about charging by a factor of 100 or more in my experience. Most people are blown away by this when they get it. Of course it’s not unique to Tesla but it’s a big benefit.

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Post by Shivetya » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:35 PM UTC

trca wrote: post #63

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

I have a Model 3 and have gone on multiple long-distance road trips (>1,000 mile) with it. It's an absolute pleasure to drive with AutoPilot. Plus, most people already stop every 3-4 hours for bathroom/food breaks anyway, so if you use the in-car nav system (Google Maps), it will make it so those stops are at superchargers. The supercharger stops are almost always in high-density places with plenty of restaurants and…

on longer trips it can be a bit annoying, having done a sixteen hundred mile round trip my advice is, travel when stuff is open. That was you will have something to do on the thirty to forty five minute charges. Fortunately for me my US route; mostly along I75 but crossed Ohio and back; meant the super chargers were located in shopping centers where some place to spend time was a simple walk across the lot

I know people love to say, we all stop for this, that, and the other thing, but the truth is on most longer trips most people just want to get to the end and adding stops of thirty minutes or more can impact a schedule. I cannot imagine it without access to the charging speed my TM3 can do let alone its range. Since a destination is not always guaranteed to have charging opportunities you are pretty much anchored to the closes SC.

with regards to AP. Love it, so nice to have a system always aware. my usage is to turn it on but act as if I were driving. it certainly has removed any panic issues where you take your eyes off the road and the situation changes badly.

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Post by sgillen » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:36 PM UTC

sabareesh wrote: post #105

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

I am bit conflicted about the opinion on long road trips is because now I cant think of any other car other than Tesla for Long Road Trips because 1. Auto Pilot takes so much stress away. For starters consider it as ADAS 2. Never had problem with charging where i live. 10 to 20 minute stop for another 4 hrs drive in average. I did a long road trip from San Diego to Breckenridge more than 2000 miles (round trip) and n…

I think it really just depends on charger availability. Probably could not perform that same trip if you lived in the midwest.

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Post by Klathmon » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 3:37 PM UTC

trca wrote: post #63

leejo wrote: post #19

Anecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (n…

I have a Model 3 and have gone on multiple long-distance road trips (>1,000 mile) with it. It's an absolute pleasure to drive with AutoPilot. Plus, most people already stop every 3-4 hours for bathroom/food breaks anyway, so if you use the in-car nav system (Google Maps), it will make it so those stops are at superchargers. The supercharger stops are almost always in high-density places with plenty of restaurants and…

Are they really planning on rolling out the v3 superchargers over the next few months!?