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Please. GM has nowhere near the EV manufacturing capacity of Tesla. They also have a dealer network that is not interested in pushing EVs over internal combustion vehicles.
And yet GM has an available EV car and Tesla does not. And yet Tesla will not be able to deliver the cheap model 3 and GM has been doing it. That's a substantial claim - without any evidence. No surprise though - it's easy to be pulled into the Musk hype.
Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
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It's under Hyperdrive Tesla Production Blog, Friday June 22, 2018: "The $366 Million Subsidy Play, Part 2" as well as "Tesla's 200K Strategy". tl;dr they'd basically benefit from an additional 336M in government subsidies if they delay recording their 200k'th sale to July 1 instead of June 30.
Actually the customers benefit from the subsidy. No other car company has sold enough evs in the us to get to this point. After they finish q4 2018 and the subsidy if greatly reduced, there will be one less reason to hate tesla. How many volts and bolts has gm sold? I haven't ever even seen a bolt on the road. Apparently gm doesn't make many of them on purpose, too expensive for the batteries - tesla's super advantag…
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Tesla is not the only brand that creates electric cars. This is all about Elon making clames he could not make true. The danger for Tesla is that people don't want to wait for broken promises anymore and will choose another brand. Edit: for example the Jaguar I-PACE might be very competitive.
I have yet to hear anyone say they're impressed with the I-Pace
2. From someone not in the automotive press: "The interior build quality is second to none." - although he sees enough negatives to hold out for a Model 3 instead - https://model3ownersclub.com/threads/jaguar-i-pace-review.62...
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One cannot will anything one wants into existence. At some point, he'll need to understand how to design an effective large-scale manufacturing system, and not simply yell for one. Specifically, he should actually learn some things about managing people, and the place that has in producing quality at volume at speed. It's sad, because that's exactly the lesson Toyota was trying to teach at NUMMI, and their legacy has…
> One cannot will anything one wants into existence Let's just see now. Musk wanted to grow a plant on Mars, and when the Russians pulled out of a deal to sell him a couple of ICBMs he decided he would will his own rocket into existence. Then he decided he wanted it to be reusable, so he willed that into existence when everyone said it was impossible. Then he wanted to strap three of them together, so he willed that…
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely admire what Elon Musk is capable of. But it's worth being realistic when we draw opinions of leaders lest we fall victim to hero worship.
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Profits are also a side effect of grabbing surplus value from their workers. Just sayin'
No, not really. If only it were that simple.
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come on, that's a silly fear mongering ignorant post. They've had designers and engineers from many other car companies working on their cars and you can see endless pictures and videos of people driving their cars on tracks since even before 2012, when the S first came out.
Yes I agree, I don't follow street cars near as close as I do race cars, so I was ignorant and too busy at that time to G it. TBH I am fundamentally adverse to self-driving cars (though I'd love to race against their future counterparts, but alas I'll be too old) but I am not a Musk hater-I find it astonishing that he can land a rocket on a barge. I am happy to hear he sought out expert advice, and now thanks to you,…
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Their timeline shifted to almost a year later, but it looks like they did get there.
The company is losing $300 MILLION per quarter. Being late by a year on this figure means $1.2 Billion down the drain. That's the important thing. A lot of people are concerned about Tesla's ability to raise money and stay solvent. Tesla will not be profitable, or even cash-flow positive, until enough Model 3 cars are made. Every month Tesla fails to reach a high-degree of production, Telsa loses another $75 million.…
But the thing is, they did triple their q1 production, going from 9.7 to 28.5k so they almost trippled, or went from an avg of 9/12 weeks to 28/12 weeks, a clear increase. The newly announced goal is 6k by the end of August. It doesn't matter if through super-human work they get one week that is good, we can just measure their performance by total production, so I'd guess at least 50k would be another significant increase. It won't be 6k*12 weeks in q3.
Lost in this is the significant additional revenue they get. They aren't making their cheapest cars yet, so at 50k each, that last week alone was 250 million additional revenue. That 28.5 cars is about 1 billion more in revenue than q1. If they double that again, you are talking real money :-)
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Panel gaps say a lot about construction quality, and how well it will hold up going forward. And if paying $60K+ for a car, I would expect something with amenities of a $60K+ car, not something with terrible ergonomics (touchscreen, right...) and missing features that a $30K Hyundai has.
Thank you for demonstrating my point.
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Elon Musk at one point claimed they were going "school" Toyota in manufacturing. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2018/02/16/tesla-th...
Gotta give him credit for trying.
The people that work for Toyota and GM aren't stupid, and those organizations have been at this game since before Elon was born.
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No, not really. If only it were that simple.
It's trivially true. A worker produces something and gets a fraction of their value paid back to them. They would not have been hired if it were not so.