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Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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They timed production to maximize federal tax credits for US consumers.

Couldn't they just ship cars overseas? Or wait until the end of June to ship them?

They have done exactly what you say, sending production to Canada.

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Can you quote the text here? For the life of me I can’t find the section you’re referencing. I’ve heard the “timing production to match tax credit” thing before and it doesn’t make sense to me, hence why I’m trying to track down the primary source.

It's under Hyperdrive Tesla Production Blog, Friday June 22, 2018: "The $366 Million Subsidy Play, Part 2" as well as "Tesla's 200K Strategy". tl;dr they'd basically benefit from an additional 336M in government subsidies if they delay recording their 200k'th sale to July 1 instead of June 30.

Actually the customers benefit from the subsidy. No other car company has sold enough evs in the us to get to this point. After they finish q4 2018 and the subsidy if greatly reduced, there will be one less reason to hate tesla. How many volts and bolts has gm sold? I haven't ever even seen a bolt on the road. Apparently gm doesn't make many of them on purpose, too expensive for the batteries - tesla's super advantage!

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52 * 4750 * 35,000 = $8.6B in revenue. You're quibbling over a rounding error.

3% is not a rounding error. There are industries with smaller profit margins than that.

And this is a case with production that doubled in a quarter. So, again, how big is 3%?

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I think it’s a good question to ask, but it doesn’t mean the milestone was meaningless. Several months ago this would have been unthinkable, and the 5000 deadline was arbitrary anyway.

> Several months ago this would have been unthinkable Unthinkable? Their Q4-16 Shareholder letter [1] (Feb 22nd, 2017) stated: "Our Model 3 program is on track to start limited vehicle production in July and to steadily ramp production to exceed 5,000 vehicles per week at some point in the fourth quarter and 10,000 vehicles per week at some point in 2018." On July 2nd, 2017 Musk forecasted [2] 20,000 per month by Dec…

Their timeline shifted to almost a year later, but it looks like they did get there.

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They definitely cannot. These numbers are completely gamed within an inch of outright fraud.

So when they do maintain this rate for the next few weeks, is that still within an inch of fraud?

The cars aren't fraud, it's a weird belief system that leads to people honestly repeating that over and over. They make cars, real cars. You can order one but it takes a long time to get one. They work.

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Still isn’t proof; fraud is a strong term. Throwing around such allegations with any proof is irresponsible. Has Tesla been convicted of fraud in the past?

Quote me. Within an inch. I can play with words too.

Companies make plans, if they are audacious goals and you only come close, that's okay. It's not horrible. Tesla is in that camp.

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Tesla pulled people from the S&X lines to reach their 5000 Model 3 goal. No way they also produced 2000 S&X cars in the past 7 days. In addition, their current death march schedule isn't sustainable. They won't come close to producing 7k cars in any week in July. Tesla needs to spend billions in capex in order to get to 5000 M3 and beyond if they want to produce at a sustainable pace with acceptable quality. Billions…

Where are you pulling this information from? How do you know it costs billions to produce a 5k line? What quality failings do the currently produced m3s have? Can you substantiate any of this? I'm genuinely curious if you have information that I don't.

I think people are just making up those numbers. It costs a lot to design and implement new infrastructure, and it will cost much less to use it to make the next 5 or 50k cars than it did to get to 5k a week.

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If these $45k cars are fully automatic (a big if for sure), then $45k will be a bargain price and would probably capture at least half the new car market.

They're not. They have the same lane keeping and autimatic cruise control as the average $45k car.

Or what you can get from Honda for around $20-25k.

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Given that half of those 5000 are being produced in a tent in the parking lot with summer heat and no AC, I can only imagine.

My question is who R&D's these cars at the limits of adhesion? Every single auto maker track tests their cars using real racing drivers who understand vehicle dynamics and can comfortably drive street cars on the limit, and over it. Track testing ensures a car is safe for the average driver, who has no idea that the throttle steers the back of the car-to give just one example. How will these cars behave when little J…

come on, that's a silly fear mongering ignorant post. They've had designers and engineers from many other car companies working on their cars and you can see endless pictures and videos of people driving their cars on tracks since even before 2012, when the S first came out.
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