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Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Musk has said to appear on Rogan's podcast when production of model 3 hits 5k/w. https://jrelibrary.com/upcoming-guests/ https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/1005924723983675392?lang...

I really hope Musk would not associate himself with MRA/Alt-Right stuff like that.

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Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

#92
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> One cannot will anything one wants into existence Let's just see now. Musk wanted to grow a plant on Mars, and when the Russians pulled out of a deal to sell him a couple of ICBMs he decided he would will his own rocket into existence. Then he decided he wanted it to be reusable, so he willed that into existence when everyone said it was impossible. Then he wanted to strap three of them together, so he willed that…

First, large-scale manufacturing is a different thing from rocket engineering. It ceases to be about building something, and begins to be about understanding and managing people. That's what I challenge Musk is still learning, and far too slowly. He may never be able to learn at all—beliefs about people and management are far more hard-set than those about physics and engineering. That said, I think he'll get it done…

I think the reason he does it this way is to avoid reaching the same local maximum competitors are already stuck in - you can’t out-compete incumbents with more of the same but a little better. It is arrogant in many ways but there is a reason behind it, it’s not just hubris, and crucially it requires finding the right frustrated talented people and listening to them, it would be a mistake to think he comes up with all the ideas.

I disagree that he’s not good at managing people, he just has very different success criteria, which do not highly rate the welfare of his workers. I think like Jobs, Bezos and many other successful business leaders he’s good at finding talented people, selling them a dream, and wringing every last ounce of life out of them in service of his dreams, then finding someone else to keep it going. A lot of people will be broken along the way, a lot of people will produce their best work.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

#93
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"It was not clear if Tesla could maintain that level of production for a longer period of time." I think this is the million dollar question—was this just a sprint effort to hit a milestone for PR sake or will they produce 5000 next week too?

Bloomberg's chart of Tesla Model 3 production[1] shows very low production rates in early June, around 1000. Maybe they saved some parts up for end of quarter. Let's see what happens over the next month. A well-run production line produces about the same number of units per week. Tesla's weekly numbers are all over the place. Their cost per unit has to be very high, because the cost of running the plant is roughly co…

They timed production to maximize federal tax credits for US consumers.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

#94

"It was not clear if Tesla could maintain that level of production for a longer period of time." I think this is the million dollar question—was this just a sprint effort to hit a milestone for PR sake or will they produce 5000 next week too?

Musk has been quite endurant so far. It's possible tesla will keep up, or not. As long as tesla doesn't die i'd bet Musk will find a way to crank up the next stage.

endurant?

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Musk has been quite endurant so far. It's possible tesla will keep up, or not. As long as tesla doesn't die i'd bet Musk will find a way to crank up the next stage.

One cannot will anything one wants into existence. At some point, he'll need to understand how to design an effective large-scale manufacturing system, and not simply yell for one. Specifically, he should actually learn some things about managing people, and the place that has in producing quality at volume at speed. It's sad, because that's exactly the lesson Toyota was trying to teach at NUMMI, and their legacy has…

One can judge from the distance and think he has better understanding of the problem, than a person who is immersed in it most of his waking hours and surrounded by people specialized at solving it.

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> It may rapidly become the brand of choice for young, urban commuting professionals. Municipal rail is the brand of choice.

There’s a lot of work you can’t get to on municipal rail.

Key word is “urban”.

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> It may rapidly become the brand of choice for young, urban commuting professionals. Municipal rail is the brand of choice.

Still waiting on that train from Mountain View to Cupertino. Meanwhile, there is an Audi in the garage that can take me there anytime I want and a bus to take me there when I don’t feel like driving. I still find it really hard to take a week’s worth of groceries for a family of six on a train. Even if BART did go exactly where I needed, when I needed, I’m not inclined to risk Hepatitis or theft. I understand that so…

The comment said “urban”. Silicon Valley is not an urban area, it is suburbs.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

#98
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One cannot will anything one wants into existence Let's just see now. Musk wanted to grow a plant on Mars, and when the Russians pulled out of a deal to sell him a couple of ICBMs he decided he would will his own rocket into existence. Then he decided he wanted it to be reusable, so he willed that into existence when everyone said it was impossible. Then he wanted to strap three of them together, so he willed that…

First, large-scale manufacturing is a different thing from rocket engineering. It ceases to be about building something, and begins to be about understanding and managing people. That's what I challenge Musk is still learning, and far too slowly. He may never be able to learn at all—beliefs about people and management are far more hard-set than those about physics and engineering. That said, I think he'll get it done…

Until Tesla goes bankrupt (which I believe is sooner rather than later - Tesla is sitting on a Wells Notice), the charade continues.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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> with the final car rolling off the assembly line on Sunday morning, several hours after the midnight goal set by Chief Executive Elon Musk No, they missed the deadline, twice now. Lot of Muskites in these comments, remember, Tesla failed to meet the same deadline in January and pushed it to June. (EDIT: I've been told they missed this 3 times now, the 5K/wk figure was originally Dec '17, then Jan '18 then Jun '18).…

I actually thought he was underpromising, and that Tesla would surprise the world by blowing past 5K weeks early. That they pulled out all the stops in the final weeks and still missed the deadline feels like a bad sign.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bloomberg's chart of Tesla Model 3 production[1] shows very low production rates in early June, around 1000. Maybe they saved some parts up for end of quarter. Let's see what happens over the next month. A well-run production line produces about the same number of units per week. Tesla's weekly numbers are all over the place. Their cost per unit has to be very high, because the cost of running the plant is roughly co…

They timed production to maximize federal tax credits for US consumers.

Can you clarify, did Tesla announce this, or are you announcing this?
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