If these $45k cars are fully automatic (a big if for sure), then $45k will be a bargain price and would probably capture at least half the new car market.
This is frankly delusional thinking. (a) Tesla aren't the leaders in the self driving car space. Waymo arguably is, (b) almost all of the car makers have self driving car programs and most importantly (c) why would the traditional car makers just sit back, do nothing and allow Tesla to eat up the entire market ?
I think Tesla is not the leader, they probably made a crucial mistake in not using the expensive lidar. But they have be far the most cars on the road with early versions of this tech that has worked pretty well in my car for 4 years.
Your world view is too narrow. That 5000 figure is important, but it's not really meaningful in the grand scheme of things. There is a 4th or 5th scenario, where 4. other car makers trail behind Tesla more and more in terms of technology. Remember, all these car makers had DECADES of head start developing EVs before Tesla was even born. Tesla was supposed to trail them in tech, not the other way around. It's easy to…
> 4. other car makers trail behind Tesla more and more in terms of technology. Remember, all these car makers had DECADES of head start developing EVs before Tesla was even born. Tesla was supposed to trail them in tech, not the other way around. > It's easy to assume that because a company is bigger, and have more resources and manufacturing experience, that they can move fast in developing tech. It's easy to judge…
> most people don't care about EV right now
> Americans are buying SUVs and crossovers right now
Tesla is building SUV EVs. Other makers are planning to.
Your world view is too narrow. That 5000 figure is important, but it's not really meaningful in the grand scheme of things. There is a 4th or 5th scenario, where 4. other car makers trail behind Tesla more and more in terms of technology. Remember, all these car makers had DECADES of head start developing EVs before Tesla was even born. Tesla was supposed to trail them in tech, not the other way around. It's easy to…
> 4. other car makers trail behind Tesla more and more in terms of technology. Remember, all these car makers had DECADES of head start developing EVs before Tesla was even born. Tesla was supposed to trail them in tech, not the other way around. > It's easy to assume that because a company is bigger, and have more resources and manufacturing experience, that they can move fast in developing tech. It's easy to judge…
You think there is a 10% chance that Musk is snake-oil salesman and a sham?
Is that too high or too low?
There's a 0 percent chance he's a snake oil salesman. There a reasonable chance his company won't succeed because of a problem making the cars cheap enough. But still they are awesome cars. Pretty soon they will be the only company in the US that has sold enough EVs that the tax credit runs out. That will really piss off the tesla haters who will have one less reason to claim it's all a gyp or whatever.
OK, sure, but call it 4850 of 5000 when everyone says there wasn't a prayer of making it is pretty remarkable. Call it 97% of the way. The fact that they built out a tent and hustled 24/7 to hit the goal is impressive to me. Overall it's pretty classic Tesla/Musk. Predict the absolutely impossible, get 97% of the way there, and regardless of how you slice it the only thing that's not impressive is the facxt that they…
It's not the number. It's the fact that people can't count on what the company says. So it's always a case of over promise and under deliver. So it's easy to focus on that fact and call the company and its founder flaky. Few companies can survive that. But the reality is that they eventually deliver and Musk can keep investors engaged which keeps the company going with more cash. Even reaching 4850 is a big deal. The…
If company promises to make me a car on a date and misses it by 3% of a year (1 day?) I don't care. If they miss it by 6 months or a year I care.
OK, sure, but call it 4850 of 5000 when everyone says there wasn't a prayer of making it is pretty remarkable. Call it 97% of the way. The fact that they built out a tent and hustled 24/7 to hit the goal is impressive to me. Overall it's pretty classic Tesla/Musk. Predict the absolutely impossible, get 97% of the way there, and regardless of how you slice it the only thing that's not impressive is the facxt that they…
>I see Teslas everywhere now. Meaning you live in one of 4 coastal cities. Teslas are exceedingly rare everywhere but the wealthiest cities.
So when musk just tweeted 7000 cars in 7 days, you’re saying you have information proving he’s committing some form of fraud? Could you elaborate? This is going to be a huge story and it looks like you’ll be the one to break it, which is pretty exciting.
When you miss a deadline to produce 5000 cars of a specific model I guess the other thing you can do is brag about producing 7000 cars and include all your models in that number.
It's not much of a story that the company that people think will go out of business and promised to make 5k cars a week only made 4800 or something, and is raising production goals to 6k for the next month. This might matter if say a bank was going to end their credit line if they didn't make that number. That's not the situation.
> with the final car rolling off the assembly line on Sunday morning, several hours after the midnight goal set by Chief Executive Elon Musk No, they missed the deadline, twice now. Lot of Muskites in these comments, remember, Tesla failed to meet the same deadline in January and pushed it to June. (EDIT: I've been told they missed this 3 times now, the 5K/wk figure was originally Dec '17, then Jan '18 then Jun '18).…
Tesla is most overpriced startup currently on the market. It will crash in a spectacular way in near future. They are constatly missing deadlines, have quality issues, troubles to manufacture spare parts in sufficient quantity and have terrible work environment yet everybody are coming up with excuses for them. This will end at some point and that even beside the fact that electric car in reality create more pollutio…
I'm sorry but I think your facts are not true. Only people with an agenda to support the oil companies or something come out with claims that evs are terrible polluters. First, regular ice cars have pollution in their manufacture, and the production of gasoline has a lot of inefficiences, it must be transported physically. ICE engines are vastly less efficient in use of energy. Coal is a decreasing amount of power generation. It's just a silly argument that evs are terrible polluters. Of course there is some pollution in their creation, like any object on earth.
Sure, at its basics, society has needs, known or unknown, good or bad so companies are created to fill the needs. Companies survive if they reach enough people with their solution. Sure there are ways to manipulate needs but at its basics companies are supposed to benefit society by filling those needs. We are fed the idea that companies are created to profit the investors but profits are a side effect of meeting nee…
More specifically, profits are a side effect of meeting sufficient numbers of individuals' needs. It does not necessarily follow that meeting the needs of those individuals benefits society at large. Profits are also a side effect of meeting needs today . It does not necessarily follow that meeting needs today benefits society in a meaningful way in the longer term. For what it's worth, I think your implication is tr…
Profits are also a side effect of grabbing surplus value from their workers. Just sayin'
"It was not clear if Tesla could maintain that level of production for a longer period of time." I think this is the million dollar question—was this just a sprint effort to hit a milestone for PR sake or will they produce 5000 next week too?
Those who know anything about manufacturing are seeing very clearly that this is unlikely, or if achieved will be done at great cost and waste. https://twitter.com/skabooshka/status/1012000014376230913
that particular poster seems to be an anti-tesla troll. Certainly there is reason to wonder if Tesla can do what they are trying to do, they've had trouble so far. But it's not an impossible task, there are lots of companies in the world doing mass production of cars, tractors, etc, it's not some impossible task.