Does quality match the quantity here? I remember Tesla having lots of quality issues (misaligned doors etc)
Given that half of those 5000 are being produced in a tent in the parking lot with summer heat and no AC, I can only imagine.
Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
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Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it’s a good question to ask, but it doesn’t mean the milestone was meaningless. Several months ago this would have been unthinkable, and the 5000 deadline was arbitrary anyway.
> Several months ago this would have been unthinkable Unthinkable? Their Q4-16 Shareholder letter [1] (Feb 22nd, 2017) stated: "Our Model 3 program is on track to start limited vehicle production in July and to steadily ramp production to exceed 5,000 vehicles per week at some point in the fourth quarter and 10,000 vehicles per week at some point in 2018." On July 2nd, 2017 Musk forecasted [2] 20,000 per month by Dec…
Right. And his whole timeline shifted right by 6 month when they didn't start production as they expected a few weeks afterwards.
Giving this the new estimate is placed to summer 2018.
Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
#33Bertel Schmitt on Asymco's podcast was amusingly anti-Musk this week (listen from about minute 37) http://www.asymco.com/2018/06/27/asymcar-44-the-view-from-to...
Amusingly? He has been like that for the past two years.
Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
#34Let’s see if they’re actually building 5000 a week after another few weeks or if they just built these in a burst and it’s not sustainable. And let’s see how many returns and recalls there are.
I don't understand the skepticism. He's not claiming to have built a perpetual motion machine. Even if it were the case that it's just a burst, it demonstrates feasibility. Of course the lines will get augmented and more efficient with time. It's not like there's some law of physics preventing regular deliveries of 5000 cars a week.
The skepticism is simple: Musk has a history of making schedule pronouncements that fall through. He predicted they'd hit this milestone last year, and they didn't. In fact, he predicted they'd be far beyond this milestone by now, and they aren't. And he really, really, really hates it when people point how his broken promises and failed claims, so it's reasonable to expect he might be trying to play with some smoke and mirrors and distract everybody with a one-time hit at 5k, hoping we forget he's late, and that he said that would just be a stepping-stone on the way to 25k/week.
Or, you know, it could just be late, and he's on track slowly. But the skepticism is absolutely warranted, and there are probably better odds for the skepticism.
Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
#35Does quality match the quantity here? I remember Tesla having lots of quality issues (misaligned doors etc)
Given that half of those 5000 are being produced in a tent in the parking lot with summer heat and no AC, I can only imagine.
You can have AC on big tents, and I would be surprised if they didn't as your external 40C could easily become dangerous in a literal greenhouse.
At least forced ventilation is needed.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
They've been around 15 years and they bought a modern manufacturing plant purpose built to make cars. They can buy talent. I won't cut them too much slack, supposedly they're worth more than GM. Now prove it.
Up til now they've only been doing relatively low volume production. I doubt Bently could scale up either and they know a bit about making cars.
Tesla put an awful lot of time into getting their glorious factory factory rolling. Bentley might just copy existing high volume production lines from the beginning.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Producing physical things is hard . Issues crop up every step. Of the way, and any one thing can have big downstream impacts. Just think of the web of supplies chains that feeds into the components that go into a car. And in Tesla's case, throw in the fact that they are still a new company and haven't had decades to iron out all the kinks.
They've been around 15 years and they bought a modern manufacturing plant purpose built to make cars. They can buy talent. I won't cut them too much slack, supposedly they're worth more than GM. Now prove it.
They got that plant almost empty.
You can see the really old videos where the thing had full empty floor only equipment was left in a few corners.
Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
They've been around 15 years and they bought a modern manufacturing plant purpose built to make cars. They can buy talent. I won't cut them too much slack, supposedly they're worth more than GM. Now prove it.
Up til now they've only been doing relatively low volume production. I doubt Bently could scale up either and they know a bit about making cars.
Elon Musk at one point claimed they were going "school" Toyota in manufacturing.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2018/02/16/tesla-th...
Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
#39"It was not clear if Tesla could maintain that level of production for a longer period of time." I think this is the million dollar question—was this just a sprint effort to hit a milestone for PR sake or will they produce 5000 next week too?
They definitely cannot. These numbers are completely gamed within an inch of outright fraud.
Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week
#40Finally got to drive Model 3 yesterday. A friend received his car a few days ago and let me try it on some suburban streets. Nothing fancy. But I did take it for a mini "drag race" against another buddy's Porsche 911. Again this was on a residential tree-lined street with kids playing outside. Not exactly fast and furious. But it definitely kept pace that first eighth of a mile ;) In my humble opinion it outclasses a…
> It may rapidly become the brand of choice for young, urban commuting professionals. Municipal rail is the brand of choice.
There’s a lot of work you can’t get to on municipal rail.