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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by cvwright »

fusiongyro wrote: post #166
cvwright wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eventually this is going to get them in trouble with the Sherman Antitrust Act. From Wikipedia: > "Innocent monopoly", or monopoly achieved solely by merit, is perfectly legal, but acts by a monopolist to artificially preserve that status, or nefarious dealings to create a monopoly, are not. The purpose of the Sherman Act is not to protect competitors from harm from legitimately successful businesses, nor to prevent…

I fail to see how this behavior helps artificially preserve their status as a monopoly or constitutes a nefarious dealing to create a monopoly, and the fact that Blender is using this opportunity to switch to another provider is not going to reinforce your point about YouTube being a monopoly.

No you're right, this particular behavior doesn't help to preserve their monopoly. It's evidence that they already have one.

Companies who have to survive in a competitive marketplace don't typically go around driving away customers en masse. This is like something from 1990's Microsoft.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by cvwright »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #161
cvwright wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eventually this is going to get them in trouble with the Sherman Antitrust Act. From Wikipedia: > "Innocent monopoly", or monopoly achieved solely by merit, is perfectly legal, but acts by a monopolist to artificially preserve that status, or nefarious dealings to create a monopoly, are not. The purpose of the Sherman Act is not to protect competitors from harm from legitimately successful businesses, nor to prevent…

Sure, its clear to you and I. But we on HN aren't whom you have to convince. Do you believe the US DOJ or more powerful states would go after Alphabet/google? That's the ones that count. I just can't see our current administration going that avenue.

Yeah I don't know. With this administration, anything is possible. There's lots of bad blood between silicon valley progressives and the Trump admin, too.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by corobo »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #115
ealhad wrote: post #82

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This is great news for PeerTube! Since Blender as an established community, I hope PeerTube will gain traction from it.

In at least a small way, it already has. I'd not heard of PeerTube prior to reading this submission, and now I'm interested.

Indeed! I've been intrigued enough to look into hosting an instance on a video-related domain I have knocking about

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ucaetano »

vorpalhex wrote: post #138
ucaetano wrote: post #130

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> No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Of course you can, as long as that is specified in the contract. > These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to sign a new contract and refuses to execute their original ToS. And that is allowed per the contract.

A contract in the US can't override tort law. Material change without consideration is de facto no go. This is pretty standard torts 101. You can say whatever you want in a contract but that doesn't mean the clause is valid. Furthermore ToS fall under sticker contracts which have a different level of scrutiny especially in regards to material changes post facto. YouTube knows this. This is why they are trying to get…

> If your claim above was correct, YouTube would of simply already monetized the channel and unblocked the videos.

No, they can't do that, but they can end the service until a new contract is signed. Which is exactly what happened.

The YT ToS does not create an obligation on YT's part to serve your videos.

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Post by fardo »

vorpalhex wrote: post #138
ucaetano wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Of course you can, as long as that is specified in the contract. > These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to sign a new contract and refuses to execute their original ToS. And that is allowed per the contract.

A contract in the US can't override tort law. Material change without consideration is de facto no go. This is pretty standard torts 101. You can say whatever you want in a contract but that doesn't mean the clause is valid. Furthermore ToS fall under sticker contracts which have a different level of scrutiny especially in regards to material changes post facto. YouTube knows this. This is why they are trying to get…

As much as I’d like to buy into this interpretation, isn’t the fact that youtube is an ongoing developed and supported service that consideration?

As in, their consideration here is “we continue to, without any pricetag, host your videos for free on a website receiving ongoing updates and development, AND FURTHER allow you to continue to upload and store new content, despite either and both being complete deadweight cost for us?”

The consideration being the right to indefinitely add more to the platform and benefit from those updates

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by DrJaws »

cityhomesteader wrote: post #81
gooseus wrote: post #14

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I'm pretty annoyed, I was planning on using a bunch of MITOCW video series to level up some on some computer science and information theory this summer and I hadn't even gotten through the first lecture of the first series on my list (6.001 with Sussman from 1986, classic and awesome) when this stopped me in my tracks. I've been waiting patiently hoping it comes back, but at this point I feel like I'm going to have t…

I know this has been posted before but youtube-dl is a godsend when it comes to archiving content. Considering how quickly youtube is taking down educational channels, it's prudent to create a backup just in case.

which other educational channels have youtube shut down?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by scrollaway »

Applejinx wrote: post #11
Joeboy wrote: post #8

So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

There's more stuff like this happening these days. Saw this tweet yesterday:

https://twitter.com/AnneMunition/status/1008852515629105152

YouTube preventing Linus Tech Tips from advertising their non-YouTube videos/streams.

In other words, like you said:

> Bottom line: shots fired. You must work with YouTube the way they want you to work with YouTube, or you'll get punished.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by drb91 »

stcredzero wrote: post #112
drb91 wrote: post #108

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Isn’t it convenient they don’t define any morality or worldview?

It's hard to define, but you can know it when you see it.

So Google is clearly violating their motto?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by dilap »

abnry wrote: post #3

I can't believe this has been going on for three days. YouTube seems like it is actively sabotaging its independent content creator's channels. But in this case it's not just some random kid living with their parent's. MIT and Blender are both respectable orgs.

They've been pissing off their content creators for quiet a while now w/ completely arbitrary, machine-driven demonitization. Many of these creators are far beyond the "kid in a basement" category; they're celebs, have employees, and make $$$.

It's crazy and really sad how YouTube bloomed into this awesome, independent alternative to all the crap coming out of hollywood and cable TV, but now they've decided to kneecap the independents, promote the shit out of establishment stuff, and push actual, real-live cable really hard.

It feels like a hostile takeover.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by joelrunyon »

ilovecomputers wrote: post #169
gargron wrote: post #17

Side note: PeerTube is part of the same federated network as Mastodon. You can follow Blender's PeerTube account from Mastodon by entering @blender@video.blender.org into the search bar and clicking follow on the result!

This is why I'm hyped about the fedi. This is what it'll finally take to break our dependence on a centralized web. Essentially, the email model. I wish we followed this model earlier in the web 2.0 days.

Is there a list of various "federated" version of different social networks? Would be interested in a list if there was one.
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