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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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I can't believe this has been going on for three days. YouTube seems like it is actively sabotaging its independent content creator's channels. But in this case it's not just some random kid living with their parent's. MIT and Blender are both respectable orgs.

I'm pretty annoyed, I was planning on using a bunch of MITOCW video series to level up some on some computer science and information theory this summer and I hadn't even gotten through the first lecture of the first series on my list (6.001 with Sussman from 1986, classic and awesome) when this stopped me in my tracks. I've been waiting patiently hoping it comes back, but at this point I feel like I'm going to have t…

I know this has been posted before but youtube-dl is a godsend when it comes to archiving content. Considering how quickly youtube is taking down educational channels, it's prudent to create a backup just in case.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Blender is the epic example of free software slowly eventually eating the big proprietary guys' lunch. Volunteers spending countless hours writing software, because they were fed up with the very high pricing point of the alternatives (Maya, 3DS). Now hopefully they can kick off the eating of large internet incumbents like Youtube, maybe using some decentralized free video sharing like PeerTube. I love watching blend…

This is great news for PeerTube! Since Blender as an established community, I hope PeerTube will gain traction from it.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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So YouTube created an effective monopoly through social networking, and now is abusing that position. Not surprising but disappointing. Hopefully people leave YouTube in droves and remind them that their position is not static. First time hearing of PeerTube, but looks good so far.

> now is abusing that position Offering to host your videos for free and display ads along them hardly seems like "abusing that position"...

> Offering to host your videos for free

For free? No. For your valuable data. You think youtube is worth over $100 billion because it's hosting your videos for free?

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/youtube-might-be-worth-o...

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

> So this seems to have happened because YouTube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized.

"Don't be evil."

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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PeerTube fundraiser: https://www.kisskissbankbank.com/en/projects/peertube-a-free...

For those not familiar with this fundraising platform, it appears to be legit. I asked them about it last month: https://cybre.space/@Riley/100131447697085131

It is indeed, and is quite popular in France for nonprofit or social projects.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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For free? YouTube gives Google _unparalleled_ access to what we like, how we think, what we want, ... It's the best profiling tool there is. Let's not say "for free" when we are paying a price for it already.

Yes, for free. You can create an account and upload as many videos as you want without paying absolutely anything. Even more, without handing over any personal information. But hey, feel free to upload your videos elsewhere.

By uploading videos you normally provide personal information: info about the video, context and, most of the time, the video itself.

By accessing videos you normally provide personal information: ip address, playlists, access history, browser fingerprint, device id,...

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Nothing. They gain by use of a chilling effect: most of the seemingly negative actions and expectations they're known for, tend to rebound in favor of their core business. It's all meant to be Logan and Jake Paul and PewDiePie and whatever will drive low-quality mass views so long as the viewer quality isn't so low that they're losing advertisers. At a scale like this, it's just pure statistics. This is not damage. T…

Funnily enough, PewDiePie is no longer on YouTube's good-side, and virtually all of his newly uploaded videos get demonetized by YouTube. He's no longer "advertiser-friendly"

Why am I hearing this about almost everyone I watch? Isn't that a lose-lose-lose for creators, YouTube and advertisers?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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It makes sense that YouTube would do this. I've been expecting YouTube to go after channels that are primarily supported by Patreon donations with full teeth and claws for awhile now, and still expect it is coming. Channels not running ads reduced YouTube to a free video hosting service and cuts them out of the revenue loop completely. Their main goal, as I see it, is to transition into a centralized and much more co…

> It makes sense that YouTube would do this. I've been expecting YouTube to go after channels that are primarily supported by Patreon donations with full teeth and claws for awhile now, and still expect it is coming. Channels not running ads reduced YouTube to a free video hosting service and cuts them out of the revenue loop completely.

No. This doesn't make sense. The channels that are primarily supported by Patreon donations could still be monetized by YouTube, even with ads. The real motivational structure is contaminated by politics and a desire by actors within YouTube to engage in the exercise censorious power using the YouTube platform. Otherwise, YouTube would be running it's own version of Patreon and letting non-mainstream advertisers buy ads on channels not suitable for mainstream advertisers.

Beware of authoritarian mindsets taking over your corporate culture. This can result in a corporate culture incapable of "hands off" policies which can be necessary to foster an ecosystem, and let the company organically adapt to the true direction of the market.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

> So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized.

But that doesn't seem to make sense. There are lots of popular channels that don't have advertising and Blender's videos are popular but not that popular.

Their blogpost about it is here: https://www.blender.org/media-exposure/youtube-blocks-blende...

I haven't looked at the contract they posted, but they seem to have the same interpretation as you. Maybe it's just an updated contract that includes new rules if you monetize?

(that aside, the communication chain from google posted there is just atrocious. I wouldn't sign a 6 page contract based on those robo-emails either)

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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post #78

Blender is the epic example of free software slowly eventually eating the big proprietary guys' lunch. Volunteers spending countless hours writing software, because they were fed up with the very high pricing point of the alternatives (Maya, 3DS). Now hopefully they can kick off the eating of large internet incumbents like Youtube, maybe using some decentralized free video sharing like PeerTube. I love watching blend…

It would be rather ironic if Blender was able to remove Youtube's dominance :-)
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