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Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ajross »

ng12 wrote: post #98
saint_fiasco wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason a coffee shop might offer to let you charge your phone/laptop batteries for free and then take that away when they see you are running an extension cord to your office.

So in this analogy opting out of ads is for who, exactly? Videos nobody watches anyways?

It's for you. And me. And any person or organization that wants to put up a video for the public to see.

But it's not for people and organizations who are being funded to put up those videos. If you are deriving revenue from that video stream, whether or not it's a "profit" legally, then it's not unreasonable for you to be expected to pay for it. Advertising with shared revenue is the standard mechanism for paying for youtube videos.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by stcredzero »

drb91 wrote: post #108
stcredzero wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So this seems to have happened because YouTube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. "Don't be evil."

Isn’t it convenient they don’t define any morality or worldview?

It's hard to define, but you can know it when you see it.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by plopz »

otterpro wrote: post #70

Why not switch to Vimeo, a well-established and stable video hosting platform? There's no advertising and no shenanigans of ads being forced on your video. The hosting is not free, but at least you have control over your videos and privacy issues. Peertube, d.tube, and other federated/decentralized streaming service are really not that reliable, at least from my experience.

Vimeo only accepts content that it deems "artistic". Way back in 2008, a site called stage6 shut down, at the time it was the only streaming site that allowed 1080p videos and was the go to site for video game content creators to upload videos. After it shut down many of those users tried out vimeo since they were allowing 720p videos compared to youtube's 480p. Vimeo then deleted the videos and disallowed the content. For a period, things went back to direct downloads instead of streaming, but youtube increased quality and the content shifted over with it.

Edit: Apparently vimeo reversed its position in 2014. https://vimeo.com/blog/post/new-upload-rules

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by optimuspaul »

vorpalhex wrote: post #91
ucaetano wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, are you suggesting that it should be forced to continue to distribute your videos for free (to you) even if you don't agree to their terms of service?

No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Blender already had an account and videos hosted on Youtube. Blender did not change their videos. YouTube changed their rules - and is holding Blender's videos hostage until they accept NEW terms. These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to…

It's a bit of a stretch to call it a contract I think. Terms of service may in fact be a contact, but IANAL, but calling it a contract might imply that there are things to be gained on both sides. If a contract is no longer providing value for one of the contractees then it is fair, and should be provisions for such, to renegotiate or terminate the contract.

I do agree that they are abusing their position, but I don't agree that they shouldn't be allowed to act the way they are acting. Are they being unreasonable? Maybe, but it's not my, or your, place to decide that.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by LyndsySimon »

ealhad wrote: post #82
beiller wrote: post #78

Blender is the epic example of free software slowly eventually eating the big proprietary guys' lunch. Volunteers spending countless hours writing software, because they were fed up with the very high pricing point of the alternatives (Maya, 3DS). Now hopefully they can kick off the eating of large internet incumbents like Youtube, maybe using some decentralized free video sharing like PeerTube. I love watching blend…

This is great news for PeerTube! Since Blender as an established community, I hope PeerTube will gain traction from it.

In at least a small way, it already has. I'd not heard of PeerTube prior to reading this submission, and now I'm interested.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by Applejinx »

andai wrote: post #87
laken wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funnily enough, PewDiePie is no longer on YouTube's good-side, and virtually all of his newly uploaded videos get demonetized by YouTube. He's no longer "advertiser-friendly"

Why am I hearing this about almost everyone I watch? Isn't that a lose-lose-lose for creators, YouTube and advertisers?

No. It's much like the music business: they need new PewDiePies, though it's cumbersome to create them. Once you're PewDiePie for a while, you have more resources and access to lawyers and managers, and you come around looking for a better deal.

From YouTube's point of view, that's bad, so they need a replacement. It's quantity of views they need, they don't actually have a stake in the success of any one creator.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by tomjakubowski »

plopz wrote: post #113
otterpro wrote: post #70

Why not switch to Vimeo, a well-established and stable video hosting platform? There's no advertising and no shenanigans of ads being forced on your video. The hosting is not free, but at least you have control over your videos and privacy issues. Peertube, d.tube, and other federated/decentralized streaming service are really not that reliable, at least from my experience.

Vimeo only accepts content that it deems "artistic". Way back in 2008, a site called stage6 shut down, at the time it was the only streaming site that allowed 1080p videos and was the go to site for video game content creators to upload videos. After it shut down many of those users tried out vimeo since they were allowing 720p videos compared to youtube's 480p. Vimeo then deleted the videos and disallowed the conten…

Huh? The company I work for hosts all of its marketing videos on Vimeo. Are you sure about this?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by tvanantwerp »

soulkito wrote: post #107
teilo wrote: post #74

Great. Just when my daughter has installed Blender to learn 3D modelling.

As someone who recently started learning Blender I recommend the YouTube channel Blender Guru. They guy makes great tutorials for both beginners and more advanced users.

I will second Blender Guru as an excellent resource! (Might want to increase the playback speed though--his videos take a while...)

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by teaspoons »

otterpro wrote: post #70

Why not switch to Vimeo, a well-established and stable video hosting platform? There's no advertising and no shenanigans of ads being forced on your video. The hosting is not free, but at least you have control over your videos and privacy issues. Peertube, d.tube, and other federated/decentralized streaming service are really not that reliable, at least from my experience.

because it always buffers 2 seconds into a video
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