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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by plopz »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #118
plopz wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vimeo only accepts content that it deems "artistic". Way back in 2008, a site called stage6 shut down, at the time it was the only streaming site that allowed 1080p videos and was the go to site for video game content creators to upload videos. After it shut down many of those users tried out vimeo since they were allowing 720p videos compared to youtube's 480p. Vimeo then deleted the videos and disallowed the conten…

Huh? The company I work for hosts all of its marketing videos on Vimeo. Are you sure about this?

I just looked it up, apparently they reversed their position in 2014.

https://vimeo.com/blog/post/new-upload-rules

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ng12 »

ajross wrote: post #111
ng12 wrote: post #98

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So in this analogy opting out of ads is for who, exactly? Videos nobody watches anyways?

It's for you . And me. And any person or organization that wants to put up a video for the public to see. But it's not for people and organizations who are being funded to put up those videos . If you are deriving revenue from that video stream, whether or not it's a "profit" legally, then it's not unreasonable for you to be expected to pay for it. Advertising with shared revenue is the standard mechanism for paying…

> If you are deriving revenue from that video stream

By opting out of ads you're also opting out of your share of the revenue so by definition you're avoiding a potential profit stream. I think you'd have a fair point if it was a publicly-listed company complaining about ads hosted for free on YouTube but come on -- these are free, educational videos hosted for the explicit purpose of democratizing knowledge.

Again, you're not wrong. YouTube is within their rights to do this. I just think it's an incredibly disappointing move from Google.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by thefifthsetpin »

Applejinx wrote: post #11
Joeboy wrote: post #8

So this seems to have happened because Youtube wants The Blender Foundation to agree to have their videos monetized. I'm not clear if they want that because of bogus copyright claims, EU legislation etc, or just because they favour making money over not making money? Edit: Either way looking for alternatives seems like a good idea.

I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

I watched your video and you made some great points.

As an aside, I have to wonder if you've thought through your desire to serve your website over HTTP instead of over HTTPS.

You noted that you use ad blocking software because ad networks are a common route by which malware propagates. HTTP websites comprise another salient target for malware. If I am at a coffee shop with a compromised wifi router and I load your HTTP website, that compromised router can inject malware into your page and my browser will run it, just like it would have run malware served by an ad server. If your website were served over HTTPS, the router wouldn't have been able to do that.

I imagine you knew all of that, and you're right that HTTPS does have some problems, but trying to avoid those problems by opting for HTTP is exchanging those problems for (imho) much bigger problems.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by vkou »

stcredzero wrote: post #97
quadrangle wrote: post #35

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If I skipped Hanlon's Razor and jumped to assuming your speculations are right, then I'd say Google wants to head off a future where people specifically donate to those who aren't doing ad-monetizing (i.e. the only ones who actually deserve donations!!) Google wants creators funded, but they want the system to push their ad-focused approach. The last thing Google wants is a future where the (unethical, horrible, dest…

> The last thing Google wants is a future where the (unethical, horrible, destructive) surveillance-capitalism-ad-tech economy goes away… Because the corporate culture of Google/YouTube has changed into one of authoritarian adherence. This is the natural result.

> Because the corporate culture of Google/YouTube has changed into one of authoritarian adherence. This is the natural result.

Really? Is that what you've taken away from the Maven debate?

There's a couple simpler, far more plausible explanations.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ohiovr »

YouPHPtube could be a nice option for the Blender Foundation if they don't mind paying for their bandwidth usage. It is pretty easy to install (the hard way). I'm going to make a docker container for it and the encoder sometime. One advantage is that it can use amazon s3 storage and there are instructions for setting up live streaming. AFAIK, peer tube doesn't have a live stream capability (though I realize that the blender foundation may never use such a feature).

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by samschooler »

alexbeloi wrote: post #57
samschooler wrote: post #23

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I stopped using the YouTube site long ago. I only subscribe via Feedly/RSS and watch the videos I want directly with 99% no ads even without an adblocker via the embeded video player.

Where do the creators you follow host their videos?

They're all still on YouTube, but I just subscribe to the YouTube rss feed. Also since they don't get ad revenue, I pay ~$15/month to assorted creators.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by wool_gather »

optimuspaul wrote: post #114
vorpalhex wrote: post #91

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No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Blender already had an account and videos hosted on Youtube. Blender did not change their videos. YouTube changed their rules - and is holding Blender's videos hostage until they accept NEW terms. These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to…

It's a bit of a stretch to call it a contract I think. Terms of service may in fact be a contact, but IANAL, but calling it a contract might imply that there are things to be gained on both sides. If a contract is no longer providing value for one of the contractees then it is fair, and should be provisions for such, to renegotiate or terminate the contract. I do agree that they are abusing their position, but I don'…

> Are they being unreasonable? Maybe, but it's not my, or your, place to decide that.

Whose is it then? This is playing out in public; the public is free to opine.

Some things that are free of legal consequences come with consequences in other realms, and that's perfectly okay.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by kojon99 »

faladSingers wrote: post #106
djsumdog wrote: post #10

I'm curious what YouTube's real numbers are for YouTube profitability. Are these channels at such high subscriber rates that they're cutting into YouTube's ability to sustain themselves? They recently demonetized all of the Salad Fingers videos, causing David Firth to remove all those videos from YouTube and only allowing them to Patreon subscribers via Vimeo. I hope this pushes towards more independent, distributed…

I just made the mistake of watching a single Salad Fingers video, and it was a waste of bandwidth, and I want those precious minutes of my life back, but I can't make that happen. It's not spam, but it certainly is worthless. There's something to be said, regarding platforms having a need to project an image of depth and variety, and there was a time when it might have been useful to have something like Salad Fingers…

That’s what I feel every time I watch a video from one of the big names of YouTube. I guess I’m getting old.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by deltron3030 »

If you're interested in Blender, but come from a ${'insert your favorite creative tool'} background, and want less cognitive load (adaption to quirks that only exist within Blender), check out Bforartists! It's a fork of Blender with better, more familiar UX and behavior.

https://www.bforartists.de/

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by ucaetano »

vorpalhex wrote: post #91
ucaetano wrote: post #72

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Wait, are you suggesting that it should be forced to continue to distribute your videos for free (to you) even if you don't agree to their terms of service?

No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration. Blender already had an account and videos hosted on Youtube. Blender did not change their videos. YouTube changed their rules - and is holding Blender's videos hostage until they accept NEW terms. These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to…

> No, I'm suggesting that you can't change a contract (ToS) after it's been accepted without consideration.

Of course you can, as long as that is specified in the contract.

> These aren't terms already part of Blender's contract - which is why Youtube is literally trying to force Blender to sign a new contract and refuses to execute their original ToS.

And that is allowed per the contract.

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