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Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by mkr-hn »

godzilla82 wrote: post #849
anoncow wrote: post #573

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Read through the comments of an indian news website. Makes me sad. We should love more. I hope people are better than that. A lot of sexuality based and religion based hate. I hope things improve. I hope people love more. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Being-gay-...

People in India on an average are intolerant and mean. I have spent some time in the US and I was surprised to find that the average person you run into in the world is a nice person. I dont know why it is so in India. May be its because of the population pressure and a bad selection criteria in society. In some situations mean behaviour is the only way how you get things done.

There's plenty of intolerance and meanness in the US, and population density isn't a factor. We're good at hiding it in casual interactions.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by dharmach »

srean wrote: post #835
judk wrote: post #819

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Wow, that puts the anti Semitic and anti communist roots of Nazism way back in 1919. Such a long slow buildup, and nothing stopped it.

> Such a long slow buildup, and nothing stopped it. ... and that is exactly what scares the shit out of me. This is why I consider history a mandatory reading, more so a critical reading of history, with an eye for the tell tale signs. Playing with elements of hate and is playing with fire. You might recall that India and Pakistan were the same country once. Geopolitically they look different now, but I blame that on…

Muslims in Pakistan regularly kill minorities and is that due to butterfly effect? And still you are more worried about fascism in India!

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Post by mkr-hn »

tragic wrote: post #871
ForrestN wrote: post #789

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The premise that fundamental rights for minorities is or could be the subject of reasonable political debate is preposterous and disturbing. The cause he donated to was not merely "conservative" and was not decried because it was insufficiently liberal. It was cruel and wrong.

'Preposterous'? Really? It's - what - 6 years since Prop 8 went through; evidently a debate on this matter was not preposterous to Californians then. And it's only 18 years since DOMA, which made this tortuous state-by-state guerrilla war necessary. And it's only 28 years since homosexuality was removed from the DSM. That's just the States - see elsewhere in this thread re India; in Britain we had Section 28 on the b…

> 'Preposterous'? Really? It's - what - 6 years since Prop 8 went through; evidently a debate on this matter was not preposterous to Californians then. And it's only 18 years since DOMA, which made this tortuous state-by-state guerrilla war necessary. And it's only 28 years since homosexuality was removed from the DSM. That's just the States - see elsewhere in this thread re India; in Britain we had Section 28 on the books until recently, and got equal marriage (sort of) last year.

Don't forget gay sex being illegal in the US up until 2003.

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Post by ForrestN »

wtbob wrote: post #883
ForrestN wrote: post #789

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The premise that fundamental rights for minorities is or could be the subject of reasonable political debate is preposterous and disturbing. The cause he donated to was not merely "conservative" and was not decried because it was insufficiently liberal. It was cruel and wrong.

> The cause he donated to was not merely "conservative" and was not decried because it was insufficiently liberal. It was cruel and wrong. No, it wasn't. Proposition 8 did not ban civil unions; it did not ban any marriage-like accommodation for same-sex couples (that would have been cruel).

We've seen how separate but equal plays out.

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Post by golgappi »

greenpinguin wrote: post #295
ForrestN wrote: post #235

I am incredibly grateful to Cook for this, not least because of how it will affect young gay people. When I was a child, I felt generally good about myself. I was reasonably smart, well-spoken, curious, and so on, and I wanted to do something important with my life. Some nagging part of me suspected I was gay from very early on, but I resisted it intensely. I wasn't really afraid of being mistreated, although I proba…

well said. I think this is such a great symbolic moment. It's so hard to come to terms with your 'otherness' when you're young. The biggest step is admitting to yourself that you're different.

> The biggest step is admitting to yourself that you're different. I'm straight, so I probably don't get it. So I might be wrong. But it feels like that's the wrong way to go about it. I see gays and lesbians regularly in public places and they don't seem too rare to me. Instilling this feeling of being different may only make it harder for people. Your sexual orientation shouldn't make you feel different. No matter whom you're attracted to, there are a lot of people out there who are attracted to the same.

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Post by jackmaney »

notjackma wrote: post #715
jackmaney wrote: post #689

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> He was forced out, as everyone is well aware. No, he was not. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignat... Brendan was not fired and was not asked by the Board to resign. Brendan voluntarily submitted his resignation. The Board acted in response by inviting him to remain at Mozilla in another C-level position. Brendan declined that offer. The Board respects his decision.

I can't believe that anybody would be so naive to believe that Brendan wasn't forced out. Every single day, there is an employee going to work in a hostile environment, shunned by co-workers or left to sit in an empty room with no work to perform. Eventually they'll be forced to resign in order to save their own sanity.

> I can't believe that anybody would be so naive to believe that Brendan wasn't forced out.

I'm using facts to reach the conclusion that Brendan Eich wasn't forced out of his job. Your argument boils down to "Ahh, come on!".

Guess who wins? (SPOILER ALERT: Not you.)

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Post by alexbecker »

sarciszewski wrote: post #891
jshevek wrote: post #663

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Do you consider Nike admirable? Would you eagerly link 'evidence' trying to prove that Nike is one of the most 'admirable' companies out there? If yes, well... okay then. I don't understand you, and I'll stop here. If no, then maybe you can see how maybe you've not fairly contextualized the conversation? This list of 'admired' companies does, indeed, completely miss the original posters point.

Fuck Nike, fuck Apple, and fuck every other soulless corporation.

Yeah, nothing good has ever come from people and groups acting out of self-interest. All societal advances have been due to people acting from their souls.

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Post by dharmach »

godzilla82 wrote: post #849
anoncow wrote: post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read through the comments of an indian news website. Makes me sad. We should love more. I hope people are better than that. A lot of sexuality based and religion based hate. I hope things improve. I hope people love more. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Being-gay-...

People in India on an average are intolerant and mean. I have spent some time in the US and I was surprised to find that the average person you run into in the world is a nice person. I dont know why it is so in India. May be its because of the population pressure and a bad selection criteria in society. In some situations mean behaviour is the only way how you get things done.

Pretty smart generalization!

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Post by mkr-hn »

wtbob wrote: post #884
thenmar wrote: post #372

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Brendan Eich donated money with the sole goal of denying equal rights to people based on their sexuality. There's nothing wrong with having an unpopular opinion, but I think there is something wrong with that. And I suspect you would too if it were you whose rights were being taken away. Edit: Eich supported Proposition 8 which was _ruled unconstitutional_ for violating the Equal Protection Clause. Yes, his support w…

> Brendan Eich donated money with the sole goal of denying equal rights to people based on their sexuality. You know, I'm sick and tired of this lie. A homosexual has exactly the same right to marriage as a heterosexual: a gay man is exactly as free to marry any unmarried consenting woman as a normal man and a lesbian is exactly free to marry any unmarried consenting man as a normal woman. The essential confusion reg…

> The essential confusion regards the nature of marriage. It's not about a couple (or group) and their feelings towards one another; it's about the formation of a family and the production of a new generation.

I bet you're hard at work trying to deny infertile couples the ability to marry.

Even if you were right, which you aren't, tradition is not a compelling argument. We've done away with a lot of stupid traditions, like slavery and dowry.

Even if you were right, which you aren't, gay couples can adopt.

I could go on, but why? Your arguments are tired and baseless.

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Post by brazzy »

kamaal wrote: post #830
vayarajesh wrote: post #648

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India is far from been mature and accept for what we actually are.. in India you will mostly see people who are pretentious and care more about society thinks about them than what they actually feel.. Same is the case for a treatment for "women".. in india they are treated unequally.. the boy child gets all the care, education, preferences and most of all "FREEDOM" and girl cant even do anything of her choice.. india…

>>girl cant even do anything of her choice.. In India we have messed up things so badly we have scared away a lot of people from having girl kids. I'm not talking about female infanticide and foeticide(This kind of things do happen, even now). But, These days those couples who have the morality of not committing such inhumane acts don't even bother to have a second kid if the first kid is a girl. While I see couples…

> But, These days those couples who have the morality of not committing such inhumane acts don't even bother to have a second kid if the first kid is a girl. While I see couples who have boy as a first kid generally go in for a second kid.

I think you switched "boy" and "girl" there.

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