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rglullis wrote: post #762
narrowrail wrote: post #728

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As a native English speaker (not the OP), I'll take a stab at this explanation: No 2 males could have a biologically conceived child (i.e. you must have a female carry your baby). I may be waaay behind on current reproductive technologies, so please correct me if I am wrong. Therefore, the 'blood' of the child (aka DNA) will be not be a combination of the parents (i.e. the people raising the child).

Thank you! It took only 4 hours for someone to show up. I was getting worried. (The fact that OP is more concerned about the PC-ness of using "mixed blood" then understanding basic biology is somewhat alarming, but I will let that pass)

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Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by lotsofmangos »

michaelsbradley wrote: post #555
dodyg wrote: post #121

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Tim Cook is a Christian. This is a message to the Church.

And there are members of the Church who experience same-sex attraction but strive for a life of chastity, who have a powerful message for those who long to "move beyond the confines of the homosexual label to a more complete identity in Christ." See, for example, Tina's, Jonah's and Blake's testimonies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA4gpJUpvpc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbAqzGsjl30 Those videos are featured by…

And there are members of the Church who experience heterosexual attraction but strive for a life of chastity, who have a powerful message for those who long to "move beyond the confines of all labels to a more complete identity in Christ."

And fair play to them if it is what they believe.

It doesn't work for everyone though, as is eminently obvious if you look to scandals over the years across all religious groups who swear selected members to chastity.

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Post by defen »

EGreg wrote: post #735
srean wrote: post #536

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While what you say is true, for the benefit of the readers not very familiar with India I would like to add a few things for context. If from the name of the politician linked by the parent comment you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is frowned upon only by muslim politicians, you couldnt be more wrong. India is an incredibly high variance country. In some metros you would find gay pubs and bars, open kissi…

When you mentioned Hindus and being stabbed in the back I remembered reading about Thugs http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee Didn't they go around stabbing and strangling people?

I figured it was a reference to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by lotso »

adventured wrote: post #566
Bud wrote: post #459

In case you think this is no big deal, here's the updated list of Fortune 500 CEOs who are openly gay: Tim Cook

What does being openly gay mean exactly? And how do you know there aren't others on the list? About 2% of people self-identify as gay. So 10 people on that 500 list are likely to be gay, give or take. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014... Is your theory that the remaining nine should issue press releases? How do you know others aren't openly gay with the only people that matter: friends, fam…

"White people don't have a month dedicated to their history. Black people shouldn't either. That is a critical hallmark of equality."

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Post by tomasien »

general_failure wrote: post #777
tomasien wrote: post #506

Warning: for the sake of your faith in HN and in humanity, do not read this thread, especially not from the bottom up. I did - big mistake, day ruined.

I was going to close the tab until I saw your comment. So much entertainment below. Don't miss it!

OMG please miss it

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by nl »

melvinmt wrote: post #688
rglullis wrote: post #509

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> At least your kids (...) will have both bloods? Are you sure you thought this through?

I'm not sure what's wrong with that statement (I'm also not a native speaker). Please let me know how I could have worded it better. (In my native language, Dutch, it's common to refer to people of mixed race as having "mixed blood". I can find similar statements made in English on Google)

FYI: In the US and many (most?) other native English domains "mixed-blood" (or especially "half-blood"[1]) sounds racist because it's a term that has been co-opted by racist groups who rage against "race mixing".

I suspect language around race will always be racially charged - even for native speakers - so long as there are racists. It's unfortunate, but I'm not sure there is a good solution.

[1] https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=mixed+blood%2C...

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

mdavidn wrote: post #594
adventured wrote: post #566

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What does being openly gay mean exactly? And how do you know there aren't others on the list? About 2% of people self-identify as gay. So 10 people on that 500 list are likely to be gay, give or take. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014... Is your theory that the remaining nine should issue press releases? How do you know others aren't openly gay with the only people that matter: friends, fam…

About 50% of people self-identify as female. Why are there only 26 female CEOs in the 500?

Women are 97 percent of preschool and kindergarten teachers, 80 percent of social workers, 82 percent of librarians and 92 percent of dietitians and nutritionists and registered nurses.

Is that a problem too?

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Post by lotsofmangos »

zorbo wrote: post #740
mercer wrote: post #707

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Interesting. Maybe I misunderstand you, but every single Dutch person I know refers to mixed race as 'halfbloed', which means half-blood, which, now that I think of it, sounds rather racist.

As a dutch person, why do you think that sounds racist? It's like bloodlines. One half from one bloodline, one half from another bloodline. It's mostly used to refer to offspring from two differently colored people (not necessarily races), but I don't see the term "halfbloed" as particularly racist?

In English, at best it sounds woefully inaccurate as that isn't really how blood works, but bloodlines are generally the sort of thing either discussed by people who trace royals and believe in the divine rights of kings and stuff like that, or people or are worried about theirs being diluted due to a woeful misunderstanding of how biology works that would be amusing if they didn't tend to be such utter bastards, or those who breed weirdly malformed dogs and then take them to shows, rather than those who are particularly interested in the parentage of someone.

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Post by ForrestN »

downandout wrote: post #530
Tloewald wrote: post #378

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Brendan Eich is entitled to his opinion, and a large not for profit is entitled not to want someone with that opinion as a figurehead. As for who has done more for what — web browsers were going to have a scripting language. Is Javascript so astoundingly good that we can only assume any alternative would have been worse?

I don't believe in the cause that Eich donated to. But taking away someone's job over a political donation is preposterous and disturbing. If he had donated to a liberal cause and was forced out because conservative employees had a problem with it, the entire media would have come down on Mozilla like a ton of bricks. Instead his resignation was celebrated. Chilling political discourse by threatening the livelihoods…

The premise that fundamental rights for minorities is or could be the subject of reasonable political debate is preposterous and disturbing. The cause he donated to was not merely "conservative" and was not decried because it was insufficiently liberal. It was cruel and wrong.

Re: Tim Cook Speaks Up

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

Fastidious wrote: post #178
bobcostas55 wrote: post #112

>I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. Americans are so weird.

One of the things my father told me when I was very young was, you should not be proud of things you cannot control (birthplace, sex, race, etc.). He also told me that God (or gods) do not exist. I have not found a reason to discard those two.

Did he tell you what "existence" is? Because I can't find the answer to the second thing until I know what that is.

It's very practical and convenient to just decide that material existence is the ultimate objective reality and I don't blame anyone for taking that route - but for a lot of people it's much more complicated than that (and fun to think about!) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence

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