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Post by pbhjpbhj »

notahacker wrote: post #581
paulojreis wrote: post #27

"(...) and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me". I can only imagine the reactions if the same was said by a heterosexual person, about heterosexual orientation... :)

You mean like the bits about the "great gift" of holy matrimony and God's intention "man and wife" to be joined "as one flesh" that crop up at basically every single Christian wedding?

So are you're saying that expressing the Christian view that God intends for men and women to only have sexual relationships within [a heterosexual] marriage, that such marriage should be the basis under which children are raised, that marriage should be a singular unending union, expressing such things won't cause one to be vilified, on HN say?

The evidence seems to be against you.

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Post by acangiano »

Fastidious wrote: post #178
bobcostas55 wrote: post #112

>I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me. Americans are so weird.

One of the things my father told me when I was very young was, you should not be proud of things you cannot control (birthplace, sex, race, etc.). He also told me that God (or gods) do not exist. I have not found a reason to discard those two.

Some people take issue with the word 'pride', because you can't really say 'I'm proud to be straight'. When Tim Cook says, 'I'm proud to be gay' however, what he's really saying is, 'Contrary to what society expects, I am not ashamed of being gay, because there isn't anything shameful about it.'

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Post by downandout »

smtddr wrote: post #618
downandout wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was forced out, as everyone is well aware. You are advocating for a society where political intimidation is acceptable. There are many examples of such countries around the world. None have worked out well.

If I understand your position correctly, then if there really was a prop to ban interracial marriage we should all be okay with that? I don't see any difference between a ban on gay marriage and a ban on interracial marriage. I just want to be sure I understand your calibration settings. If you think a prop on banning interracial marriage should be just as acceptable as what you seem to be saying for prop8, then I'm…

>If I understand your position correctly, then if there really was a prop to ban interracial marriage we should all be okay with that?

I would strongly oppose such a measure. But I would certainly respect the rights of others to support the opposing side and vote their conscience, and when the vote was over I would not go scouring donation records to figure out whom I should fire or force out of their jobs.

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Post by mkr-hn »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #606
dwild wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first I didn't like the news. Tim Cook is gay, so what? I though 5 seconds about it and then I realized how actually we still need this... we still need to remind people that there's nothing wrong with being gay. That's sad that we are still at this point.

While I agree it's a positive thing for him to talk about, I don't care much for the way he's phrasing it. What does it mean to be "proud" of something you are ? Isn't that what we criticize white supremacists and other bigots for? Take pride in the things you do, the things you create. My only reaction to someone who takes pride in his or her race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is quizzical indifference.

Pride is helpful for overcoming the shame society lumps on us for it.

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Post by alecdibble »

exodust wrote: post #532
mattzito wrote: post #392

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Tim Cook expressing his beliefs does not deprive me of access to my rights as an individual. People are certainly free to not believe in gay marriage, but when they start donating money to groups dedicated to preventing gay people from getting married, that crosses a line. Put another way - Tim Cook believes in God, which is fine, that's his prerogative. However, if he started donating money to anti-atheist groups, n…

> If you're "okay with gays" and "not okay with gay marriage", it really means that you're not okay with gays. That's not true. You're stretching a line between two distant things in hopes of having a nice neat world of bigots on one side, and everyone else on the other. "You're either with us, or you're with the bigots". That's an unreasonable ultimatum that I don't subscribe to. I might be "okay with gays" but I mi…

How is gay marriage analogous to Mardi Gras in this context? Marriage provides certain federal and state benefits. By denying it some people, you are denying a certain class of people those benefits. If you cancelled or banned Mardi Gras, you would be denying the benefits of Mardi Gras to everyone equally. The only way your argument makes sense to me is if you banned Mardi Gras only for gay people. If you ban it all together, you aren't denying any particular group their rights.

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Post by EdSharkey »

Who cares about Tim Cook's personal life and preferences? Answer: no one should care.

Tim Cook is a exceedingly boring man talking about the most boring/banal/useless topic there is: sex preferences. Get out of my face identity pols!

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Post by sarciszewski »

mwfunk wrote: post #624
alexbecker wrote: post #472

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Admired =/= admirable. The latter means deserving of admiration.

If you admire someone, then by definition you consider them admirable. So, lots and lots of people consider them admirable. You may not, but that doesn't mean that other people can't have different opinions. It also doesn't mean they're wrong and you're right or vice versa, since we're all unreliable narrators of the world around us.

Here, I'll translate:

Admirable is a moral judgment. Admired means that "the others" have drank the kool-aid. (Sheeple, etc. etc.)

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Post by vayarajesh »

avinassh wrote: post #475

Excellent news. I am from India where being gay is a crime in this country. Leaders of this country believe that being gay is a disease and it can be 'cured'[0]. According to Indian Penal Code 377[1], if you are gay you can be imprisoned for life. I had a friend and two years ago he committed suicide because he was gay. In India it's not easy to be gay. Parents and societal pressures can make anyones life living hell…

India is far from been mature and accept for what we actually are.. in India you will mostly see people who are pretentious and care more about society thinks about them than what they actually feel..

Same is the case for a treatment for "women".. in india they are treated unequally.. the boy child gets all the care, education, preferences and most of all "FREEDOM" and girl cant even do anything of her choice.. india people still believe in child marriage..

I don't understand what makes gay people unacceptable? they are not hurting the society like the criminals do.. they are not disrespecting anyone.. they are simple believing on what they feel is right and who is to decide that being gay is wrong..

I am happy Tim is supporting the gay community because if 100 normal people claim and accept to gay it would have been neglected.. however Apple's CEO supporting the gay community should help a little..

There is one basic rule in life that "Be good, Do good.. Never dis-respect any human or animal"

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Post by jacquesm »

untog wrote: post #329
wefarrell wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There hasn't been a gay President" http://www.salon.com/2012/05/14/our_real_first_gay_president...

Shrug. There hasn't been a publicly gay President, which is what would in the context the OP is discussing.

NL doesn't have a president but our PM is openly gay and as far as I know nobody cares.
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