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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by DocTomoe »

yoz-y wrote: post #672
DocTomoe wrote: post #637

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Given that Apple doesn't offer superior phones (with better battery life and headphone jacks), voting with your wallets essentially comes down to getting a Apple one or a non-Apple one. In other news, the iPhone's market share is dropping like a stone. http://fortune.com/2019/02/21/apple-iphone-sales-2018/

It is important to note that it is dropping a lot _in China_. Chinese smartphone market is very different from the rest of the world as a smartphone is basically a WeChat machine. Chinese also value novelty and camera capabilities more (by camera capabilities I mean stuff like auto beautification).

Not only in China, though - I'm in Europe, and I see people making the switch in growing numbers - even for the teens, that 2000s "I need to have the newest iPhone" hype has waned and now Samsung & Co. are being considered more.

iPhone omnipresence is pretty much an American phenomeon ... I've seen more iPhones in Vegas in one day than I see in Germany in six months.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Domenic_S »

Fnoord wrote: post #528
Domenic_S wrote: post #353

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I get the appeal. At my (home) desk, I have the same (minus power), except it's Thunderbolt, which my 2014 MBP has. For a couple beautiful years I could switch monitor/headset/kb/mouse between work and home laptops with 1 simple plug. Now that the work lappy is USB C though things aren't simple anymore.

Do you have a link to the device? I'm curious about the specs.

the hub? it's lg thunderbolt monitor with usb hub.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Domenic_S »

thirdsun wrote: post #598
Domenic_S wrote: post #353

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I get the appeal. At my (home) desk, I have the same (minus power), except it's Thunderbolt, which my 2014 MBP has. For a couple beautiful years I could switch monitor/headset/kb/mouse between work and home laptops with 1 simple plug. Now that the work lappy is USB C though things aren't simple anymore.

Wouldn't an USB-C enabled monitor provide the same functionality? Whenever you plug in either laptop the USB-C connection would provide video, an USB hub (on the monitor) and even charge your laptop. What am I missing here? Well, unless you don't use an external display. And in that case why not just get an USB-C hub with video out? Your Thunderbolt-enabled Macbook should work regardless.

yes except now I have to replace a perfectly good thunderbolt monitor with a usb-c monitor.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by afandian »

swish_bob wrote: post #639
afandian wrote: post #582

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I hope you _can_ live without the Touch ID! I did some manual work last weekend and now my fingerprints don't work.

I cut my finger quite badly a couple of weeks ago. Being unable to just switch my phone on as I picked it up was a whole world of annoying. It's surprising just how quickly we take these things for granted.

I use touch id on my mac (when it works) but I use the most inconvenient finger just so I don't get too acclimatised.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by yoz-y »

DocTomoe wrote: post #861
yoz-y wrote: post #672

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It is important to note that it is dropping a lot _in China_. Chinese smartphone market is very different from the rest of the world as a smartphone is basically a WeChat machine. Chinese also value novelty and camera capabilities more (by camera capabilities I mean stuff like auto beautification).

Not only in China, though - I'm in Europe, and I see people making the switch in growing numbers - even for the teens, that 2000s "I need to have the newest iPhone" hype has waned and now Samsung & Co. are being considered more. iPhone omnipresence is pretty much an American phenomeon ... I've seen more iPhones in Vegas in one day than I see in Germany in six months.

According to some stats I have found[1][2] it does not seems like there is any exodus, if anything it seems that iOS gains market share every December (gifts?) and then loses a bit over the year, but the number has been stable since forever.

There are definitely less iPhones in Europe than in US, but that is more of a reflection of the global trend. iPhone was dominant in US because for a long time they had a carrier subsidy system that made it not worth it to buy a phone on a plan for less than $450 (because you paid the same price no matter the price of the phone). Back at that time that's what an iPhone cost.

In Europe the subsidies worked differently so the price was a more important factor.

[1]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/461900/android-vs-ios-ma... [2]: https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share#germ...

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by just_a_username »

lowdose wrote: post #859
app-pole wrote: post #667

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Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

>I'm impressed by their hardware skills. I am not anymore the Macbook Pro is a huge disappointment. iCloud runs on Google Cloud because Apple thought the cloud was a feature. Apple should have bought Dropbox instead of having to rely on Google for their Cloud offering especially since they are talking about being a service company instead of a product company.

>Apple should have bought Dropbox

Apple did try to purchase Dropbox when Jobs was still around...

https://www.businessinsider.com/dropbox-ceo-drew-houston-on-...

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Alexx »

driverdan wrote: post #632
Alexx wrote: post #578

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Best Buy has an inventory turnover ratio of approximately 6* - So clears its entire stock on average every 8 weeks. While there might be a large percentage of USB-A products currently, once a technology market shifts it's quite surprising how fast suppliers will also change their product supply and you see a fairly rapid change in stock even in big box stores. Most of the devices I have purchased in the last year hav…

> Sony headphones Why would headphones have a USB port? BT headphones that need it for charging?

Yup, WH-1000XM3

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by dpkonofa »

snovv_crash wrote: post #852
dpkonofa wrote: post #821

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But then we're back at the beginning of this conversation and you're saying you'd rather have a larger, bulkier, laptop that can accommodate several of these single-use ports. The entire conversation was related to why USB-C was a good/bad decision. I think it was a good decision because I have infinitely more flexibility than I'd have with what you're suggesting. Anything that needs to work over the "lifetime of sai…

Your HDMI argument falls a bit flat, since even the brand spanking new USB-C in the latest macbook pros don't support HDMI-2.0 in alt-mode. Instead you need to run them in Displayport and actually run a converter, which is hot and bulky, or you can't get 4k60. Besides, I'm not fundamentally against dongles, if you REALLY need one because tech has changed or whatever then sure, but let's not require 5 just to operate…

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I've run several hundred presentations over HDMI with the dongle that I have and have been able to do several hundred more via VGA, DVI, etc. without that. Other than that, I don't have 5 dongles. All my devices and cables are USB-C now and it's of great benefit to me that I can be flexible and plug them in anywhere, chain them, get power from them, and essentially run them all off of 1 hub that only takes 1 cable to the computer. For me, USB-C is amazing.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by dpkonofa »

Domenic_S wrote: post #863
thirdsun wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't an USB-C enabled monitor provide the same functionality? Whenever you plug in either laptop the USB-C connection would provide video, an USB hub (on the monitor) and even charge your laptop. What am I missing here? Well, unless you don't use an external display. And in that case why not just get an USB-C hub with video out? Your Thunderbolt-enabled Macbook should work regardless.

yes except now I have to replace a perfectly good thunderbolt monitor with a usb-c monitor.

No, you don't. USB-C supports Thunderbolt. The most you'd need is a cable.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by jimmaswell »

lawik wrote: post #854
jimmaswell wrote: post #837

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There's lots of bash implementations on Windows, some with package managers (msys2 has pacman). It's just one data point in the sum of everything that makes me lose faith in humanity's decision-making ability, like balance bracelets.

I feel like you are jumping to a lot of conclusions. I have worked with a number of different bash implementations and terminals on windows. I haven't found one I appreciated as much as the ones I use on MacOS or have used on Linux. Am I correct to understand that you dismiss my arguments about why I prefer another operating system and prefer a certain computer type in spite of higher cost as entirely invalid and par…

After considering everything I've seen and experienced about Apple products, I just can't help but feel like there really is nothing substantial to them these days, and it follows from that that I find it questionable people still buy them. I wouldn't quite use this to call people intellectually bankrupt. Maybe there really is to something to them providing enough value to be worth the markup to some people but I doubt that's the case for most.
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