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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by dpkonofa »

snovv_crash wrote: post #490
dpkonofa wrote: post #305

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This is exactly why I'm 100% for the USB-C switch. I have 1 dongle that handles every video type to USB-C - VGA, DVI, HDMI, and even mDP. There's no reason for all 4 of those ports to be built into the computer on the off chance that I need one of them.

I have the opposite perspective. I'd like my $3000 device to have all the ports I'm likely to need over the lifetime of said device. Dongles and specific adapter cables are a pain.

But then we're back at the beginning of this conversation and you're saying you'd rather have a larger, bulkier, laptop that can accommodate several of these single-use ports. The entire conversation was related to why USB-C was a good/bad decision. I think it was a good decision because I have infinitely more flexibility than I'd have with what you're suggesting. Anything that needs to work over the "lifetime of said device" needs to be able to handle future technologies and having dedicated HDMI ports, for example, is not useful for that because even the HDMI spec has changed multiple times in the last few years.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by dpkonofa »

inopinatus wrote: post #421
dpkonofa wrote: post #293

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I'm the same way and most of the people I know IRL are the same way. It seems like it's only online that I hear people complain about the keyboard and the lack of ports. The biggest complaint online that I see is the physical escape key (and I'm even a developer and don't care about it) and I have yet to meet a single person who has that complaint.

> I have yet to meet a single person who has that complaint We haven't met, but hi. I have that complaint. The omission of a physical escape key is the reason I cancelled my MacBook Pro order. I tried training myself on my MacBook with a remapped Caps Lock but to no avail. Vim habits die hard.

That's completely contrary to my point. You're still just a random person online from Hacker News. The vast majority of people that aren't on a niche website like this have no issues with the keyboard. I haven't gotten a single complaint related to the keyboards from our employees using MacBooks. In fact, overall, we get far less complaints about the MacBooks, in general, than we do with our Dell and HP laptops.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by noobiemcfoob »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #702
app-pole wrote: post #667

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Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

I like how Window management works in macOS more than the other platforms! The touchpad gestures are great. Or, if you're using a mouse with extra buttons, one of the side buttons can get mapped to Mission Control, which works wonderfully! I did prefer App Exposé in Snow Leopard, but ah well...

"the other platforms" leads me to suspect you haven't tried many other window managers. Linux has too many to name.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mainlineman »

chrisseaton wrote: post #790
CPLX wrote: post #692

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If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other. That is, in fact, stupid.

> https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MQGJ2ZM/A/usb-c-to-lig... You don't need a dongle.

So why isn't this cable included with a new iPhone purchase? Where is the Apple USB-C iPhone or iPad charger?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by setr »

buildawesome wrote: post #736
jobu wrote: post #704

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It's ridiculous that iPhone didn't switch to USB-C when they dropped the headphone jack. Apple used to be so good about consistency and compatibility between products.

If we're talking about consistency, how about the headphone port on the Macbook? You need a dongle to listen to music on your phone, if you want to use the same headphones for your computer.

Thats somewhat more forgiveable: the desktop should be a superset of laptop ports, and laptop a superset of phone ports

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by setr »

OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #755
webbrahmin wrote: post #607

I used to love my mac book pro. Sadly, it is not the same device which it used to be. The quest to make it thinner has actually made it a substandard machine. I feel Apple has lost a lot of developer love and brand capital since Jobs. I am hoping things would improve on the product front. Not all devs live in the US. For devs in developing countries, a mac book pro is a serious investment. We want a machine which is…

MBP was rarely the best option for most developers, just the coolest one or they were succumbing to peer pressure, any other explanation has always been inexplicable.

Its unix with a generally nicer/hassle-free ux and better arbitrary device support... its utility for development seems fairly obvious to me. The only major factors are price and recently ports and physical reliability.

Hell, what are your alternatives? Linux on laptops is broadly a mess until fairly recently... and Windows is Windows.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Corrado »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #777
jgust wrote: post #774

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Just echoing some absurd justifications/arguments for bad design made by diehard Apple fans.

Just because you saw a dumb comment once doesn't mean you have to use it as a strawman. It's a negative to the design, but the worst possible case is you go read or watch something where you won't need your mouse for 10 minutes.

See, you say that, but I've actually had the situation where my network was down and I had to wait 4 minutes before I could get it back up because of the stupid mouse design.

My wife works in a small, elementary school and I help with the computers from time to time. One day, their network was misbehaving and I needed to change some settings on their iMac "server". I quickly discovered that the mouse had lost it's charge over the 2 months that they didn't use it and I had to plug it in and wait for it to get a small charge. Well, first I had to find a USB Lightning cable.

Anyway, the worst possible case is not that you go read something for a while; sometimes your network is down and you have to wait 10 minutes before you can fix it. Just because some designer thought it would be ugly to put a "tail" on a mouse.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by username90 »

foldr wrote: post #717
slantyyz wrote: post #699

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They aren't for me. While I would say Macs have always had excellent pads, I still hated them. I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something.

>I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something. But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. You press down with one finger and make the dragging motion with another. You can click and drag with a single finger if you want to (as I've just discovered - never occurred to me to do it that way), but you don't hav…

> But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button.

No it doesn't, if I press down with the side of my thumb and then move around my index finger the thumb will rotate. On a physical button that doesn't matter but on a virtual button the thumbs movement will also move around the pointer. Using the thumb for buttons and index and long for trackpad is much faster and more accurate than using virtual buttons in my experience, not as good as a mouse but close.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by lawik »

jimmaswell wrote: post #678
lawik wrote: post #551

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Objectively is a hard claim when it comes to an integration of software and hardware. What is the integration of hardware and software worth to any particular person? What is Apple doubling down on privacy worth to another one? Current MBP hardware is nothing exciting to me. But my previous MBP was lasted me 2009 to 2016 I believe, with a few upgrades. And I like the OS. I don't mind working in Linux or Windows but I…

Here's the current MBP priced around $1300. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space... Here's the laptop I bought in September 2017 for about $1200 or $1100, now down to $840. https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Omen-15-ax250wm-15-6-Full-HD-I... Screen: 13" vs 15.6" RAM: 8GB vs 12GB CPU: i5 vs i7 Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640 vs GTX 1050Ti 4GB 128GB SSD vs 1TB HDD, you can buy your own 1TB SSD for aroun…

Well. I'm glad you can find computers that you find worth their price.

I do use Windows 10 for gaming and some audio/video editing stuff, mostly because of ports and fat hardware. I don't enjoy dev work on it. I could get used to it. But I vastly prefer the way my workflow matches with MacOS. Good terminal, decent package management, good battery for travel.

If I wanted another dev OS it would probably be a Linux.

But I find the quality of execution on MacOS and the surrounding ecosystem to generally be better. I prefer the experience. If it costs a premium but shaves some frustration for me, that feels worthwhile at this time.

It is fine that you don't want to pay that. Is it bothering you that I don't mind the higher price?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by chrisseaton »

mainlineman wrote: post #824
chrisseaton wrote: post #790

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> https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MQGJ2ZM/A/usb-c-to-lig... You don't need a dongle.

So why isn't this cable included with a new iPhone purchase? Where is the Apple USB-C iPhone or iPad charger?

> So why isn't this cable included with a new iPhone purchase?

Not everyone has a recent MacBook. Makes sense to stick with USB-A for now, I guess, for maximum compatibility.

> Where is the Apple USB-C iPhone or iPad charger?

Here https://www.apple.com/us-hed/shop/product/MR2A2LL/A/30w-usb-...

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