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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by wlesieutre »

CountSessine wrote: post #222
munificent wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but he also brought us the 2016 MBP which is possibly the best programmer's laptop ever made.

The 2016 4th generation MacBook Pro with its execrable butterfly keyboard is what I’m talking about. Thinness for thinness-sake - forget about typing efficiency, typing correctness, or repetitive stress injuries. Damnable thinness at any cost.

I think that was a joke about the differing opinions on the 2016 MPB. It’s either the best or the worst programmer’s laptop depending on who you ask and how much they like deep key travel.

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Post by hinkley »

philjohn wrote: post #141
CountSessine wrote: post #18

I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.

I keep seeing this, and I've got one and disagree. I quite like the new keyboard feel, I can type damned fast on it. The touchbar implementation in IntelliJ is nice, touch ID is great to login, I travel quite a bit so having something powerful but super light is a huge boon. It's probably not for everyone, but it felt like an upgrade over the 2015 model I was using before ... and sure, they jumped the gun on USB-C bu…

I just got the new, new one, and the keys are pretty squishy. I'm anticipating some tendonitis from this guy.

But at least it doesn't sound like I'm typing angry every time I type at a normal speed.

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Post by Domenic_S »

dpkonofa wrote: post #302
jedberg wrote: post #102

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Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

>how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. Disagree wholeheartedly. I bought a USB-C to Video adapter from Amazon that has DVI, VGA, HDMI, and mDP and it only takes up one space on my MacBook and the only time I ever need to use it is when I'm presenting so I can just keep it in my laptop bag. That also means that I don't have to worry about what tech is being used at the place I'm presenting because I have all the o…

I get the appeal. At my (home) desk, I have the same (minus power), except it's Thunderbolt, which my 2014 MBP has. For a couple beautiful years I could switch monitor/headset/kb/mouse between work and home laptops with 1 simple plug. Now that the work lappy is USB C though things aren't simple anymore.

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Post by tazjin »

Bud wrote: post #197
PunksATawnyFill wrote: post #66

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How about decisions like removing the headphone jacks from the company's most popular music players, the very devices with which people are supposed consume the media-centric services that Tim Cook and analysts say are the future of Apple? For Apple's and consumers' sake, I hope NOT.

This decision was promptly copied by every other major phone manufacturer, for the same reasons Apple made the decision. The 3.5mm jack is obsolete and getting rid of it enables a better, tougher device which is more waterproof.

It was also recently reversed by Google for the Pixel 3a. I'm hoping other manufacturers follow suit. It's fine to admit a mistake and many have been made in phone design recently.

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Post by nilkn »

sprafa wrote: post #253
kshacker wrote: post #114

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Tyranny of design. Interesting thought. What if he was let go after seeing the reaction to the new Mac compared to the trash can?

What’s wrong with the new Mac?

I think he/she meant that the trash can model was very poorly received whereas the new one has generated a lot of excitement. If the new one was designed without Ive or against his wishes, it could have seriously called his value into question.

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Post by goldcd »

What's always struck me about Apple, is that despite their espoused "form follows function/Rams philosophy" - it's clearly not their pattern.

They normally seem to start with a great idea (iMacs, ipods, iphones, whatever) - and then add really great incremental additions (mag-safe, 'retina displays', thumb-scanners etc) - and then completely lose sight of what they were originally trying do do as they iterate further.

The air being thin was impressive, and ushered in everybody else pulling their finger out. However removal of headphone jacks, connectors, to achieve this was nothing anybody asked for.

Not just one the small stuff either - thermal problems on the g4 cube, trash-can, imac pro.

The new Pro though looks awesome. Arguments over pricing are separate - but first form-is-function device I've seen from them in an age.

I'd like to think Jony hates it, and has stomped off in a huff (or having finally convinced the company to ship it, and point them in the right direction, he's happy to walk away from his baby).

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Post by CydeWeys »

dpkonofa wrote: post #317
zild3d wrote: post #188

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I'd take asymmetric borders over having a large notch anyday. See S10+ next to an iphone XS Max [0]. It's subjective of course, but strictly looking at display & bezels the "which is more aesthetically pleasing" question is not even close [0] https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NG5Wd9Px40o/maxresdefault.jpg

I don't know that I agree with that considering the S10+ has what amounts to a hole in the top right corner. The notch isn't great but I actually think I prefer seeing those 2 options side by side.

I prefer the hole, for two reasons: A lot less total space of the display is missing, and the part that is missing is one side rather than the middle, so you still have room for a mostly full width uninterrupted status bar.

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Post by Aeolun »

mstade wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

I think we can have both in this case. MacBook without touch bar and with some extra ports.
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