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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mstade » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:34 PM UTC

thinkling wrote: post #154

bradknowles wrote: post #145

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So, on the power side of the equation, I have come to understand why they chose to go the direction they did. With the previous generation of MagSafe/MagSafe II power supplies, if the cable gets frayed, you have to replace the entire power supply. If the MagSafe connector gets hosed, you have to replace the entire power supply. Basically, if anything goes wrong beyond the AC input side, you have to replace the whole…

> if the cable gets frayed, you have to replace the entire power supply This is true for the existing design but it would have been easy to redesign the power supply to avoid it. Just look at the other end: the wall-plug end has long been replaceable; it slides out so you can put on a different plug or a longer cable. This could be true on the MagSafe side as well -- then any Mac power supply could be used with any g…

But the MagSafe cable would serve exactly one purpose, whereas the usb-c cable does not. And now I can charge from Either side of the box too – great stuff! When my cable broke it wasn’t a big deal, I had an extra (shorter) cable I could use, and then go get a new one later. I’d be hard pressed to buy extra MagSafe cables to carry around just in case one broke, but the extra usb-c cables are actually useful or other things too.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Bud » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:35 PM UTC

asark wrote: post #135

jedberg wrote: post #102

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Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

I think they really needed a transition design for 3-4 years that included USB-C but still had the "legacy" ports—in quotes because when they announced the C-only model I hadn't even seen a USB-C port or cable in real life yet. USB-A is nowhere near being on the way out yet. Especially when their own damn mobile devices still come with A cables. We're way into their attempt to push everything to USB-C but I went to T…

Stop expecting Target to carry a 2019-appropriate selection of tech. Just go to monoprice.com.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by munificent » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:35 PM UTC

CountSessine wrote: post #18

I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.

I agree, but he also brought us the 2016 MBP which is possibly the best programmer's laptop ever made.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by shriphani » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:36 PM UTC

Before I ever got a mac (or cared about these sorts of things), I saw the Jony Ive exhibit at the design museum - left quite an impression on my family and me - we thought of computers as some kind of calculator++ but this felt like something out of a very upscale music studio.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by lwansbrough » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:36 PM UTC

"Designed by Jony Ive's design firm for Apple in California" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Bud » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:37 PM UTC

Spooky23 wrote: post #119

mstade wrote: post #94

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It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Thin is fine, but Apple has shipped nearly 5 years worth of fundamentally defective laptops. This is the reckoning. I’m glad they had the courage to hold the leader responsible.

There's zero evidence that that's what happened, here.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mstade » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:37 PM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #138

mistersquid wrote: post #117

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To a large degree Apple is moving away from using wires altogether, and in the presentation space they appear to be doubling down on AirPlay 2. Neither advocating nor deprecating. Only observing.

Airplay 2 works great if the place you're presenting in supports it, but most places don't upgrade their equipment that often.

Screen cast dongles are pretty much a dime a dozen these days though. Maybe I’m lucky but in he past two years or so I haven’t been anywhere that still relies on hdmi for presenting on big screens. Except conferences.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by zild3d » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:39 PM UTC

valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

I'd take asymmetric borders over having a large notch anyday. See S10+ next to an iphone XS Max [0].

It's subjective of course, but strictly looking at display & bezels the "which is more aesthetically pleasing" question is not even close

[0] https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NG5Wd9Px40o/maxresdefault.jpg

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mstade » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:39 PM UTC

Spooky23 wrote: post #119

mstade wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

Thin is fine, but Apple has shipped nearly 5 years worth of fundamentally defective laptops. This is the reckoning. I’m glad they had the courage to hold the leader responsible.

Well, my point is that design is opinionated and my opinion is clearly contrary to yours – in the past five years (and more) Apple has set the standard for what laptops should be. Thanks for proving my point! :o)

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by artursapek » Thu, Jun 27, 2019, 10:40 PM UTC

valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

I got one of these fucking things, and I noticed my thumb feels strained when I use my phone. It's because my thumb has to bend down a lot further to reach the bottom of the "chin" all the time.

So much for "design is how it works", huh Steve?