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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by pentae » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:19 AM UTC

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I'm calling it - USB-A will still be around going strong 10 years from now. Take a stroll through a BIC Camera in Tokyo. How many USB-A accessories are still for sale? It's about 99% of the stock. I'm sure it's the same at a Best Buy in the US. Apple and the fanboys calling it a "Legacy" port are completely out of touch with reality.

Best Buy has an inventory turnover ratio of approximately 6* - So clears its entire stock on average every 8 weeks. While there might be a large percentage of USB-A products currently, once a technology market shifts it's quite surprising how fast suppliers will also change their product supply and you see a fairly rapid change in stock even in big box stores. Most of the devices I have purchased in the last year hav…

Well we're already 3 years in since the new generation USB-C only Macbook Pro came out. Let's call it 7 years for a total of 10. Not putting a lone USB-A port on it was an act of extreme arrogance imho

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by thirdsun » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:22 AM UTC

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USB-C is baffling. Suppose you buy into the dream of one cable type for everything. So you buy printers, scanners, optical drives, external hard drives and SSDs, and so on that have USB-C connectors, and you buy USB-C flash drives, and buy USB-C to USB-C cables to hook it all up. But your computer only has two USB-C ports! No problem, you think. You've run into the same problem before with computers with USB-A connec…

I want a USB-C hub with at least 5 USB-C ports and no other legacy ports. Only USB-C. An added bonus would be alt-mode video transmission from my Mac and power. Does such a beast exist? Not that I can find!

Yes, it's somewhat surprising that all those USB-C hubs seem to focus on providing an interface to other connectors rather than just offering more of the same, as in more USB-C ports. Maybe it's a technological limitation?

In any case I'm grateful that the Mac Mini I upgraded to recently at least offers 4 generous Thunderbolt/USB-C ports.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:22 AM UTC

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An Apple TV is not expensive compared to the cost of a conference room.

Just that I have never been in a conference room with an Apple TV attached to the projector. They are a pretty expensive addon considering that I rarely see other Macs at the business meetings I attend.

Yeah.

Ports are about compatibility with the outside world. That means having the same connectors that the rest of the world has.

I don't get to choose what those connectors are. Apple as a company has some influence on that, but not enough.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by toxik » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:24 AM UTC

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All I’m saying is that the notch doesn’t FEEL like it removes screen for me, rather ticks away the status bar making the notch “issue” not an issue at all.

So it's an emotional response to something that if you applied some logical thinking to it you might see things differently?

It is an absurd position that your way of thinking is logical while the counterparty’s is emotional. In fact quite dishonest as a rhetorical technique. Less of a notch that is asymmetrical would look worse due to human preference for symmetry, and what the parent said is that the current solution does in fact put the statusbar at notch level. So why does it matter?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by bostonpete » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:24 AM UTC

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This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. The space is physically there, but because the size of the phone is ok anyway experience-wise it seems to be an extra feature?

> This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. It's very weird to call it an issue as well. I remember what kind of phones we had until 2007. I've used infuriating devices from Android vendors as well. The notch is not even a first world problem....

The whole point of this thread is how brilliantly elegant Ive's designs are. Yeah, it's all 1st (or 0th) world problems to talk about such issues -- that's a given entering into the discussion, not a reason to shut discussion down.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by bookofjoe » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM UTC

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I have literally never noticed that. If this is what the differences between phones have come to today then to me it seems like there isn't really anything to write home about anymore and the market is completely saturated.

Love them of hate them, Apple has always spent a lot of attention to details in their products. I myself like them more just because of their manufacturing processes. It’s like those YouTube channels that have videos of industrial machinery showing how tomatoes are sorted or paper clips are bent.

here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQIYZ-iKuG4&feature=youtu.be

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by protomyth » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM UTC

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Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

> The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen. Just curious why? I use mine almost every day and have never had issues. It's not an Apple-branded one though, it's "Cable Matters"... but if anything Apple adapters tend to be higher quality than third-party ones? (I also use a Cable Matters SD adapter more than once a week to transfer video and it's been working flawlessly for over a year too.)

but if anything Apple adapters tend to be higher quality than third-party ones?

Actually the Apple HDMI adapters seem to be very fragile. They continue to stop working after moderate use. I have two dead ones on my desk and plenty more that we bought with MacBooks. The offerings of MonoPrice seem to be solid though. Apple's entry also seems to have problems with budget TVs unlike others, it is very weird.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by thirdsun » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:30 AM UTC

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>how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. Disagree wholeheartedly. I bought a USB-C to Video adapter from Amazon that has DVI, VGA, HDMI, and mDP and it only takes up one space on my MacBook and the only time I ever need to use it is when I'm presenting so I can just keep it in my laptop bag. That also means that I don't have to worry about what tech is being used at the place I'm presenting because I have all the o…

I get the appeal. At my (home) desk, I have the same (minus power), except it's Thunderbolt, which my 2014 MBP has. For a couple beautiful years I could switch monitor/headset/kb/mouse between work and home laptops with 1 simple plug. Now that the work lappy is USB C though things aren't simple anymore.

Wouldn't an USB-C enabled monitor provide the same functionality? Whenever you plug in either laptop the USB-C connection would provide video, an USB hub (on the monitor) and even charge your laptop. What am I missing here?

Well, unless you don't use an external display. And in that case why not just get an USB-C hub with video out? Your Thunderbolt-enabled Macbook should work regardless.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by pmjordan » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:31 AM UTC

thirdsun wrote: post #592

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I want a USB-C hub with at least 5 USB-C ports and no other legacy ports. Only USB-C. An added bonus would be alt-mode video transmission from my Mac and power. Does such a beast exist? Not that I can find!

Yes, it's somewhat surprising that all those USB-C hubs seem to focus on providing an interface to other connectors rather than just offering more of the same, as in more USB-C ports. Maybe it's a technological limitation? In any case I'm grateful that the Mac Mini I upgraded to recently at least offers 4 generous Thunderbolt/USB-C ports.

Maybe it's a technological limitation?

I've heard this second-hand (or third-hand) and my EE knowledge is nowhere near good enough to say how accurate this is, but: Apparently the power delivery negotiation mechanism in USB-C is vastly more complex than for USB-A, so hubs with lots of USB-C ports would need new, more complex chips compared to equivalent USB-A hubs. It already took a few years for reliable hubs to turn up when we first got USB 3.0. I'm assuming the manufacturers might also be trying to hit USB 3.1 Gen2 speeds at the same time as supporting USB-C, which presumably further tightens reliability tolerances. I'm guessing with all that, they might not be able to hit the desired price points with this stuff yet, and all that complexity probably also takes a lot of power so bus powered USB3.1 hubs with USB-C downstream ports are presumably a tricky proposition too.

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Post by noir-york » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM UTC

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Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.

This has got to be one of the best quotes that illustrates what I believe to be wrong about everything related to Apple and it's products: the blatant and worrisome repackaging of ideas and words. I'm not facetious at all when I say: Thank you for this quote. I'll save it and use it all the discussions I'll have on the subject from now on. It has really added a key-puzzle-piece to my understanding of the Apple-mindse…

I wish I could triple-vote your post. The redefinition of words, the abuse of language, is Orwellian.

> but if we accept this sort of repackaging with our PC and phone hardware; why should we not accept it in other aspects of our lives?

But most of us already do - in politics this redefinition of words is common. "Oil companies" become "energy companies", etc etc.

> It's a mechanism in our psyche that is prone to abuse

The hardest thing to change in an person is their identity. If someone's identity is tied to a particular belief (the earth is flat, my deity can throw bolts of lightning, etc) then anything that contradicts that belief is either ignored or else spun to fit the existing belief system of that person.