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Post by inopinatus »

dpkonofa wrote: post #293
mstade wrote: post #94

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It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

I'm the same way and most of the people I know IRL are the same way. It seems like it's only online that I hear people complain about the keyboard and the lack of ports. The biggest complaint online that I see is the physical escape key (and I'm even a developer and don't care about it) and I have yet to meet a single person who has that complaint.

> I have yet to meet a single person who has that complaint

We haven't met, but hi. I have that complaint. The omission of a physical escape key is the reason I cancelled my MacBook Pro order. I tried training myself on my MacBook with a remapped Caps Lock but to no avail. Vim habits die hard.

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Post by wmf »

jedberg wrote: post #416
tzs wrote: post #383

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USB-C is baffling. Suppose you buy into the dream of one cable type for everything. So you buy printers, scanners, optical drives, external hard drives and SSDs, and so on that have USB-C connectors, and you buy USB-C flash drives, and buy USB-C to USB-C cables to hook it all up. But your computer only has two USB-C ports! No problem, you think. You've run into the same problem before with computers with USB-A connec…

I think the dream of usb-c is daisy chaining the accessories. Haven’t seen one with an in and out port though!

That's because USB doesn't have daisy chaining (unless you count integrating a hub into the device). Thunderbolt has daisy chaining but it's so expensive that devices only use Thunderbolt if they really need it.

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Post by [deleted] »

mattigames wrote: post #136
crazygringo wrote: post #131

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> The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen. Just curious why? I use mine almost every day and have never had issues. It's not an Apple-branded one though, it's "Cable Matters"... but if anything Apple adapters tend to be higher quality than third-party ones? (I also use a Cable Matters SD adapter more than once a week to transfer video and it's been working flawlessly for over a year too.)

This link should give you some clues, is one of the worst reviewed products on Apple.com https://www.apple.com/shop/reviews/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-a...

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Post by test1235 »

moon2 wrote: post #384
jedberg wrote: post #102

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Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

Back when they launched the Macbook Air, we also thought having no DVD drive was a big step back. It took some time, but other companies started removing the DVD drives from their laptops as well. Maybe technology moves around Apple after all. If your Macbook does not have a SD Card slot, then SD Cards will soon be dead. Having a single USB-C, though, is still frustrating.

>SD Cards will soon be dead.

Not a chance - professional photographers won't be ditching their cameras anytime soon.

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Post by SkyPuncher »

jeremyjh wrote: post #279
CountSessine wrote: post #243

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YMMV I guess, but I work as a programmer at a company where all the programmers carry these around and spend their whole days in emacs or tmux+vim. There are about a hundred of us in our local office. I haven’t found anyone who doesn’t hate this thing, and it all comes down to that stupid butterfly keyboard. We’re a company of super-efficient touch typists, and the 2015 MacBook pros with their scissor switches are co…

Do you really have a lot of programmers typing on a laptop keyboard for much of the day? That would seem really strange to me. No laptop keyboard is good compared to a good mechanical, or really any external keyboard. I have one of these pros and I type on it a fair bit because I commute on the bus and I agree its not the best...but at the office I have proper equipment for doing programming work.

My 2015 MBP keyboard is my favorite non-mechanical keyboard.

I think I actually type faster on my MBP, but I get more enjoyment out of a mechanical keyboard.

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Post by [deleted] »

UIZealot wrote: post #401
panopticon wrote: post #227

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That seems pretty hyperbolic, especially considering that Nielsen says flat designs are on the right track. To quote, "Early pseudo-3D GUIs and Steve-Jobs-esque skeuomorphism often produced heavy, clunky interfaces. Scaling back from those excesses is good for usability. But removing visual distinctions to produce fully flat designs with no signifiers can be an equally bad extreme. Flat 2.0 provides an opportunity fo…

The biggest ding they could come up with against skeuomorphism is "heavy, clunky"? Skeuomorphic UIs maybe "heavy" and "clunky", but they were also beautiful, whimsical, and fun ! They brought me joy each time I use them. Flat design, in contrast, is soulless and depressing. God I miss the Steve Jobs era! Apple could've been the beacon of light amongst darkness, like it used to be. But his death, and the subsequent be…

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Post by alluro2 »

doomlaser wrote: post #23

The Financial Times has an interview with him about this https://www.ft.com/content/0b20032e-98cf-11e9-8cfb-30c211dcd...

I don't think I've read a text that was more empty so far. Several paragraphs of words and almost no information.

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Post by jws »

zild3d wrote: post #188
valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

I'd take asymmetric borders over having a large notch anyday. See S10+ next to an iphone XS Max [0]. It's subjective of course, but strictly looking at display & bezels the "which is more aesthetically pleasing" question is not even close [0] https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NG5Wd9Px40o/maxresdefault.jpg

Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

mstade wrote: post #94
jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

It’d be interesting to see the results of a survey on this I think, I and I know many of my peers are of the exact opposite opinion. I like the move to usb-c, I like the new keyboard, I don’t mind (but also don’t really use) the Touch Bar but I can’t live without Touch ID at this point. The big trackpad is magical to me, and the thickness and weight of the 13” is just right. I have an older MBP as well, 2013 maybe, a…

As the owner of a 15”, I agree on all points but one. I would sacrifice a little thinness for more battery life and repair ability. Love the keyboard, love the track pad, fine with usb c, meh on Touch Bar.
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