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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by koboll »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #347
atombender wrote: post #219

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I don't like that phrase, "tyranny of design". It implies design is just one side of a product. But design is everything . It is both form and function. A product that has great visual design is still a failure if the functional design is bad. A great designer is holistic and will be able to bring form and function into harmony.. While I don't have the inside scoop on how Jonathan Ive works, my impression is that he'…

> But design is everything. It is both form and function. Steve Jobs would agree with you: "People think it's this veneer – that the designers are handed this box and told, 'Make it look good!' That's not what we think design is. It's not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works." So I think OP's term "tyranny of design" could be better phrased "tyranny of form" (as opposed to function).

A big part of the problem is that many designers seem to really want to be artists, not designers, and they tend to want to pull design in an artistic (i.e. form-centric) direction.

A casual glance at Dribbble makes this pretty clear.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

reaperducer wrote: post #366
jedberg wrote: post #102

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Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

how awful it is to not have an HDMI port Seriously not awful at all. When I do presentations in my department's conference room, I just AirPlay to the AppleTV connected to the projector. It was a great solution because it allows anyone on the team to do presentations. All they have to do is mirror their screen and bring their mouse or trackpad into the conference room. It's been a godsend. If I have to do presentatio…

> When I do presentations in my department's conference room, I just AirPlay to the AppleTV connected to the projector.

That's, uh, great if there happens to be an expensive AppleTV connected to the projector.

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Post by killjoywashere »

moon2 wrote: post #384
jedberg wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

Back when they launched the Macbook Air, we also thought having no DVD drive was a big step back. It took some time, but other companies started removing the DVD drives from their laptops as well. Maybe technology moves around Apple after all. If your Macbook does not have a SD Card slot, then SD Cards will soon be dead. Having a single USB-C, though, is still frustrating.

I don't recall a lot of people crying about the loss of a DVD drive. That was the moment where everyone outside techdom was forced to realize that everything goes over the network.

Also, as someone who still has a iMac with an optical drive, their failure rate (Apple or any other brand) has always been atrocious.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

pier25 wrote: post #285
atombender wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like that phrase, "tyranny of design". It implies design is just one side of a product. But design is everything . It is both form and function. A product that has great visual design is still a failure if the functional design is bad. A great designer is holistic and will be able to bring form and function into harmony.. While I don't have the inside scoop on how Jonathan Ive works, my impression is that he'…

I guess parent poster actually meant the tyranny of aesthetics.

Thinness has practical benefits (there are also downsides, of course), it's not purely an aesthetic concern.

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Post by jedberg »

tzs wrote: post #383
asark wrote: post #135

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I think they really needed a transition design for 3-4 years that included USB-C but still had the "legacy" ports—in quotes because when they announced the C-only model I hadn't even seen a USB-C port or cable in real life yet. USB-A is nowhere near being on the way out yet. Especially when their own damn mobile devices still come with A cables. We're way into their attempt to push everything to USB-C but I went to T…

USB-C is baffling. Suppose you buy into the dream of one cable type for everything. So you buy printers, scanners, optical drives, external hard drives and SSDs, and so on that have USB-C connectors, and you buy USB-C flash drives, and buy USB-C to USB-C cables to hook it all up. But your computer only has two USB-C ports! No problem, you think. You've run into the same problem before with computers with USB-A connec…

I think the dream of usb-c is daisy chaining the accessories. Haven’t seen one with an in and out port though!

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Post by jimmaswell »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #415
pier25 wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess parent poster actually meant the tyranny of aesthetics.

Thinness has practical benefits (there are also downsides, of course), it's not purely an aesthetic concern.

Practical benefits like what?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by jimmaswell »

jedberg wrote: post #42

Given his penchant for thinness over function, I hope this means we can have a thicker pro laptop again, with all the ports back and a more robust keyboard.

I don't get why you'd bother when you can get a better machine for half the cost. Install Linux on it if you don't like Windows. Unless you're hired to work on some Mac-exclusive software and it's a work laptop I just don't get why anyone would buy a Mac laptop when they're so objectively overpriced and underfeatured.

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Post by jimmaswell »

CountSessine wrote: post #18

I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.

Why was it a better laptop for programmers than any other high-end laptop with a different OS?
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