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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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> The fact that windows can't be "snapped" like on Windows is so frustrating. They can actually: press and hold the green button, then drag the window to the side.

So that's infuriating... but thanks.

And illustrates one of my core problems with Apple stuff: so much is hidden in gestures I'll never naturally discover unless someone tells you. Likely where Snapchat got the idea

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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I have the opposite perspective. I'd like my $3000 device to have all the ports I'm likely to need over the lifetime of said device. Dongles and specific adapter cables are a pain.

But then we're back at the beginning of this conversation and you're saying you'd rather have a larger, bulkier, laptop that can accommodate several of these single-use ports. The entire conversation was related to why USB-C was a good/bad decision. I think it was a good decision because I have infinitely more flexibility than I'd have with what you're suggesting. Anything that needs to work over the "lifetime of sai…

Your HDMI argument falls a bit flat, since even the brand spanking new USB-C in the latest macbook pros don't support HDMI-2.0 in alt-mode. Instead you need to run them in Displayport and actually run a converter, which is hot and bulky, or you can't get 4k60.

Besides, I'm not fundamentally against dongles, if you REALLY need one because tech has changed or whatever then sure, but let's not require 5 just to operate your computer normally straight out the box.

I really don't see any disadvantage to having an HDMI port, a Type-A USB port and an SD card reader around for making the transition period to USB-C easier. Considering the compromises made to the keyboard, I don't buy that the ports were the thickness limit, either.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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I've been sitting here for a good minute trying to make my thumb rotate the way you've described on my Magic Trackpad (no hardware buttons) and it simply isn't doing that. > Using the thumb for buttons and long for trackpad I disagree. When I want to drag and precisely position something, I use three finger dragging. They've hidden it recent versions of macOS under Accessibility, but I find it much simpler and more p…

Right, you can't do it without hardware buttons. However with hardware buttons below the track-pad I can easily use it with either hand alone and still be fast and accurate. Therefore having hardware buttons below the trackpad is necessary for me, it is so much better than using anything else feels horrible. Edit: Rereading my original post I guess it is possible to think that I say that virtual buttons are better. W…

But one's thumb doesn't rotate like that. If one needs to make one's thumb rotate to use a trackpad with a thumb and another finger, that trackpad must be the size of a sheet of paper.

I'm probably misunderstanding. I think I'd need a video to understand what you mean.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Well. I'm glad you can find computers that you find worth their price. I do use Windows 10 for gaming and some audio/video editing stuff, mostly because of ports and fat hardware. I don't enjoy dev work on it. I could get used to it. But I vastly prefer the way my workflow matches with MacOS. Good terminal, decent package management, good battery for travel. If I wanted another dev OS it would probably be a Linux. Bu…

There's lots of bash implementations on Windows, some with package managers (msys2 has pacman). It's just one data point in the sum of everything that makes me lose faith in humanity's decision-making ability, like balance bracelets.

I feel like you are jumping to a lot of conclusions. I have worked with a number of different bash implementations and terminals on windows. I haven't found one I appreciated as much as the ones I use on MacOS or have used on Linux.

Am I correct to understand that you dismiss my arguments about why I prefer another operating system and prefer a certain computer type in spite of higher cost as entirely invalid and part of some intellectual bankruptcy?

You seem to have no interest in seeing how another perspective might make sense to another person. If I were to argue like you I'd go with "No one cares to pay for hardware and software anymore. That's why Google gets away with eroding our privacy. Your hardware is full of bloated driver management tools. Your operating system has ads. It is just one data point telling me that people have no standards and lousy taste."

That's how I experience your arguments, no curiosity. I've been politely considering that your opinion probably reflects your needs. I would have appreciated the same courtesy. But what do I know. I'm just a signifier for humanity's decision-making. Bah.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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My MBP is the best machine I've ever owned. I bought it brand new in 2015 and it is still just as good as the day I got it. Your comparison is unfair given that there have been excellent machines in the past 5 years but they lost focus in the past 3 years.

Ahh the last great MBP

Maybe relatively, but not really. Wouldn't call a device with poor thermals, and a throttling device "great". Nor do the constantly swelling low quality batteries make it great.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

Wait - "by default"? Is there a way to fix the window switcher?

[Edit] Never mind, I see others volunteered info. Having come from Windows, I thought I was just stuck with the way things were. Fixing this today!

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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My next Mac after my 2013 MacBook Pro finally kicks it will probably be a 2014-2015 MacBook Pro if I can find one. I was issued a brand new MacBook Pro for work and I hate it. Hate the Touch Bar and keyboard and only liked using it docked to a keyboard and external displays.

I went 2011 to 2015 last year. Turns out it was really easy to find a 2015 refurb on Apple's store. But you should probably do it sooner than later, as they will get more rare the further out we get from 2015.

What will you do when your 2015 MBP gets too old? Are you hopeful that they'll get back to a more developer friendly laptop with functioning keyboard, etc?

I ask because I'm encountering the same conundrum and wondering if I should just force myself to make the switch to a different OS and way of working now.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Bullshit. Jobs had no vendetta against ports. Macs and macbook pro back in those days had all the ports.

The man launched the Macbook Air with ONE port. He had to be convinced that it needed 2 ports.

That was the air. It was a concept design.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

>I'm impressed by their hardware skills.

I am not anymore the Macbook Pro is a huge disappointment. iCloud runs on Google Cloud because Apple thought the cloud was a feature. Apple should have bought Dropbox instead of having to rely on Google for their Cloud offering especially since they are talking about being a service company instead of a product company.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

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