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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by foldr »

username90 wrote: post #828
foldr wrote: post #717

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>I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something. But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. You press down with one finger and make the dragging motion with another. You can click and drag with a single finger if you want to (as I've just discovered - never occurred to me to do it that way), but you don't hav…

> But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. No it doesn't, if I press down with the side of my thumb and then move around my index finger the thumb will rotate. On a physical button that doesn't matter but on a virtual button the thumbs movement will also move around the pointer. Using the thumb for buttons and index and long for trackpad is much faster and more accurate than usi…

I don't use my thumb. It wouldn't really make sense to click and drag that way on an Apple trackpad since you don't have to reach down to the bottom. It's very easy to do using your index finger and middle finger.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by username90 »

foldr wrote: post #841
username90 wrote: post #828

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> But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. No it doesn't, if I press down with the side of my thumb and then move around my index finger the thumb will rotate. On a physical button that doesn't matter but on a virtual button the thumbs movement will also move around the pointer. Using the thumb for buttons and index and long for trackpad is much faster and more accurate than usi…

I don't use my thumb. It wouldn't really make sense to click and drag that way on an Apple trackpad since you don't have to reach down to the bottom. It's very easy to do using your index finger and middle finger.

> I don't use my thumb.

Right, which is why having physical buttons where you can properly leverage the thumb and thus free up your other fingers to do only mouse movement and scrolling is better.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by foldr »

username90 wrote: post #842
foldr wrote: post #841

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I don't use my thumb. It wouldn't really make sense to click and drag that way on an Apple trackpad since you don't have to reach down to the bottom. It's very easy to do using your index finger and middle finger.

> I don't use my thumb. Right, which is why having physical buttons where you can properly leverage the thumb and thus free up your other fingers to do only mouse movement and scrolling is better.

That makes no sense. You can't scroll and drag at the same time.

You are probably just trying to use the trackpad in the suboptimal way that you're used to using trackpads with physical buttons. When you can click anywhere, there's no reason to use your thumb in the first place, other than muscle memory.

Incidentally, as others have pointed out, there is no issue with using the thumb to press the button on an Apple trackpad if that's how you want to do it. You can "roll" it as much as you want to while clicking and dragging and it won't move the cursor.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mulderc »

rusk wrote: post #568
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Apart from the case eventually degrading, I consider my black plastic MacBook the most beautiful piece of Apple kit I've owned.

I still consider the iPhone 4S to be "the best iPhone". To me it's a design classic. A triumph of balanced form and function. I loved the weight of it, the hardness of it. The cool feel of it in my hand. Nearly indestructible too, unless it fell face first on a tile floor ... if I could still use it as my phone I would. EDIT in fact 4S + ios 5 was peak iPhone for me. I think, actually that may have been around the ti…

I never liked the look of the 4S, the 5 was peak design in my book and I am going to keep using my SE as long as possible.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by alluro2 »

spectramax wrote: post #726
bayareanative wrote: post #612

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Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

Louis Rossmann and his cult followers - they seem to feed on the righteousness cause that Rossmann has cultivated over the years. His rants do have truth but the way he conveys is emotion driven and designed to lure people into this cult of Apple haters. There is one thing to criticize Apple on objective basis and another to develop a deep sense of hatred, vulgar insults, angry rants, personal attacks and fostering d…

Surely risking to sound just like one (not a fan, btw, just watched a couple of videos) but I think his opinion of Apple in terms of hadware quality and attitude towards customers in need of service has more merit than most people's - given that he's dealing with it all day, every day.

On top of the quality getting worse, so has the repairability too - but not only that - customer's ability to have the device repaired anywhere else except by Apple directly (difficulty for independent repair businesses to order parts, obtain service manuals, renew licences etc...) has taken a big hit in the last few years. And Apple's suggested course of action has increasingly been very costly replacements of half of the laptop for even the smallest issues...

Since it's hard to spread that to the broader public, and people notoriously love to see other people ranting and throwing rocks at stuff, he seems to have taken that approach - and earn some additional money from YT along the way...So, yeah, partially agree with you, but I think the intentions are more good than bad, and more people need to be talking about it in any case, if something is to be improved.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by pacifiedcitizen »

sleepinseattle wrote: post #795
TheKarateKid wrote: post #716

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Agreed. The only thing that mitigated this is that larger screens naturally made us more prone to having a bunch of windows open on a screen. Back in the 1024x768 days, not being able to maximize a window on Mac was ridiculous. "Full screen" view is/was a terrible "solution" to this. The fact that windows can't be "snapped" like on Windows is so frustrating. (Yes, I know there are 3rd party apps for this.)

> The fact that windows can't be "snapped" like on Windows is so frustrating. They can actually: press and hold the green button, then drag the window to the side.

So that's infuriating... but thanks.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by pacifiedcitizen »

mrcarruthers wrote: post #713
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Worse yet. Walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line mouse, and take them home -- realize a few days (maybe weeks, to be fair) later that you cannot charge your mouse with your laptop without a dongle.

Even worse yet, once you get the dongle you cannot use your mouse while it is charging cause the port is on the bottom.

I could not believe this when I realized it.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by TheOperator »

rusk wrote: post #810
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Lmao disappearing ports didn't start after Jobs died. Jobs had a vandetta against ports.

Bullshit. Jobs had no vendetta against ports. Macs and macbook pro back in those days had all the ports.

The man launched the Macbook Air with ONE port. He had to be convinced that it needed 2 ports.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by inopinatus »

dpkonofa wrote: post #839
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None of that invalidates my experience.

I never said it does. I just said that only a minority of niche customers actually hold the same opinion as you. The vast majority of people are perfectly happy with both the new keyboards and the lack of a physical escape key. You don't prefer it but that has to mean that you're a minority of the population that buys their products.

Indeed. In this, and other things besides. Consequentially I've learned to be distrustful of majorities, and their self-appointed spokespeople in particular.

Back on topic, though: thankfully the new Air has an Escape key and enough grunt to develop on (the MacBook being underpowered for some tasks). I was not looking forward to exiting the Apple/OSX ecosystem for my next laptop.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

noobiemcfoob wrote: post #823
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I like how Window management works in macOS more than the other platforms! The touchpad gestures are great. Or, if you're using a mouse with extra buttons, one of the side buttons can get mapped to Mission Control, which works wonderfully! I did prefer App Exposé in Snow Leopard, but ah well...

"the other platforms" leads me to suspect you haven't tried many other window managers. Linux has too many to name.

I mean, I'm certainly not a Linux expert, but I've played with it before. I've used Gnome, Pantheon (elemenataryOS), and i3wm.

Not a fan of tiling window managers, personally.

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