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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by inopinatus »

dpkonofa wrote: post #822
inopinatus wrote: post #421

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> I have yet to meet a single person who has that complaint We haven't met, but hi. I have that complaint. The omission of a physical escape key is the reason I cancelled my MacBook Pro order. I tried training myself on my MacBook with a remapped Caps Lock but to no avail. Vim habits die hard.

That's completely contrary to my point. You're still just a random person online from Hacker News. The vast majority of people that aren't on a niche website like this have no issues with the keyboard. I haven't gotten a single complaint related to the keyboards from our employees using MacBooks. In fact, overall, we get far less complaints about the MacBooks, in general, than we do with our Dell and HP laptops.

None of that invalidates my experience.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Corrado wrote: post #827
Dylan16807 wrote: post #777

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Just because you saw a dumb comment once doesn't mean you have to use it as a strawman. It's a negative to the design, but the worst possible case is you go read or watch something where you won't need your mouse for 10 minutes.

See, you say that, but I've actually had the situation where my network was down and I had to wait 4 minutes before I could get it back up because of the stupid mouse design. My wife works in a small, elementary school and I help with the computers from time to time. One day, their network was misbehaving and I needed to change some settings on their iMac "server". I quickly discovered that the mouse had lost it's ch…

If you haven't used a mouse in months you're lucky it's still there.

More seriously if it went from misbehaving to calling you in to getting to the computer and adjusting it, it doesn't sound like the four minutes of charge time was anything but negligible. Finding a cable sounds like a bigger issue, and that could happen to any wireless mouse. (and wireless is definitely not a dumb design decision, there are clear usability advantages to wireless mice)

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by f137 »

mrcarruthers wrote: post #713
felideon wrote: post #703

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Worse yet. Walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line mouse, and take them home -- realize a few days (maybe weeks, to be fair) later that you cannot charge your mouse with your laptop without a dongle.

Even worse yet, once you get the dongle you cannot use your mouse while it is charging cause the port is on the bottom.

You're holding it wrong way

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Hippocrates »

CPLX wrote: post #692
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #655

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What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other. That is, in fact, stupid.

Is it? Frankly, “syncing” your phone to a computer isn’t really a thing anymore with the advent of cloud storage and streaming music.

USB-A is probably cheaper and more universal as a wall-charging, or car charging standard right now.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by zapzupnz »

Tepix wrote: post #626
foldr wrote: post #618

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>community of unrealistic, brainwashed, tribalist fans who lack perspective and criticism Shrug. I prefer MacBooks because the trackpads are better, and trackpad usability is more important to me than the other stuff.

When was the last time you tried the trackpads on different brand notebooks? They've gotten better. For me the Dell XPS 13 9350's trackpad was good enough that getting all the goodies (USB A and USB C, a repair guide, changeable standard M.2 SSD, SD slot, non crappy keyboard, a lot cheaper) compared to the MacBook Pro made me switch to the Dell notebook.

It doesn't matter how good the other trackpads are if they don't have the software driving it. Even with Microsoft standardising the trackpad interface for drivers in Windows 10, that doesn't matter when plenty of non-Metro applications don't support multi-touch gestures or, if they do, inconsistently.

The MacBook story isn't components. When people compare a MacBook to a PC laptop, that's about where the comparison ends. Nobody wants to admit that the marriage of hardware and software does make a difference; this denial always comes from people who don't know what that difference is or never bothered to appreciate it and thus can't understand why others do.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by zapzupnz »

username90 wrote: post #828
foldr wrote: post #717

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>I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something. But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. You press down with one finger and make the dragging motion with another. You can click and drag with a single finger if you want to (as I've just discovered - never occurred to me to do it that way), but you don't hav…

> But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. No it doesn't, if I press down with the side of my thumb and then move around my index finger the thumb will rotate. On a physical button that doesn't matter but on a virtual button the thumbs movement will also move around the pointer. Using the thumb for buttons and index and long for trackpad is much faster and more accurate than usi…

I've been sitting here for a good minute trying to make my thumb rotate the way you've described on my Magic Trackpad (no hardware buttons) and it simply isn't doing that.

> Using the thumb for buttons and long for trackpad

I disagree. When I want to drag and precisely position something, I use three finger dragging. They've hidden it recent versions of macOS under Accessibility, but I find it much simpler and more precise than having to do finger gymnastics.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by jimmaswell »

lawik wrote: post #829
jimmaswell wrote: post #678

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Here's the current MBP priced around $1300. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space... Here's the laptop I bought in September 2017 for about $1200 or $1100, now down to $840. https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Omen-15-ax250wm-15-6-Full-HD-I... Screen: 13" vs 15.6" RAM: 8GB vs 12GB CPU: i5 vs i7 Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640 vs GTX 1050Ti 4GB 128GB SSD vs 1TB HDD, you can buy your own 1TB SSD for aroun…

Well. I'm glad you can find computers that you find worth their price. I do use Windows 10 for gaming and some audio/video editing stuff, mostly because of ports and fat hardware. I don't enjoy dev work on it. I could get used to it. But I vastly prefer the way my workflow matches with MacOS. Good terminal, decent package management, good battery for travel. If I wanted another dev OS it would probably be a Linux. Bu…

There's lots of bash implementations on Windows, some with package managers (msys2 has pacman).

It's just one data point in the sum of everything that makes me lose faith in humanity's decision-making ability, like balance bracelets.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by username90 »

zapzupnz wrote: post #836
username90 wrote: post #828

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> But dragging works exactly the same as it does when you have a physical button. No it doesn't, if I press down with the side of my thumb and then move around my index finger the thumb will rotate. On a physical button that doesn't matter but on a virtual button the thumbs movement will also move around the pointer. Using the thumb for buttons and index and long for trackpad is much faster and more accurate than usi…

I've been sitting here for a good minute trying to make my thumb rotate the way you've described on my Magic Trackpad (no hardware buttons) and it simply isn't doing that. > Using the thumb for buttons and long for trackpad I disagree. When I want to drag and precisely position something, I use three finger dragging. They've hidden it recent versions of macOS under Accessibility, but I find it much simpler and more p…

Right, you can't do it without hardware buttons. However with hardware buttons below the track-pad I can easily use it with either hand alone and still be fast and accurate. Therefore having hardware buttons below the trackpad is necessary for me, it is so much better than using anything else feels horrible.

Edit: Rereading my original post I guess it is possible to think that I say that virtual buttons are better. What I meant that the thumb rotating like that on the trackpad screws everything up. Sorry that I wasn't clear.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by dpkonofa »

inopinatus wrote: post #831
dpkonofa wrote: post #822

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That's completely contrary to my point. You're still just a random person online from Hacker News. The vast majority of people that aren't on a niche website like this have no issues with the keyboard. I haven't gotten a single complaint related to the keyboards from our employees using MacBooks. In fact, overall, we get far less complaints about the MacBooks, in general, than we do with our Dell and HP laptops.

None of that invalidates my experience.

I never said it does. I just said that only a minority of niche customers actually hold the same opinion as you. The vast majority of people are perfectly happy with both the new keyboards and the lack of a physical escape key. You don't prefer it but that has to mean that you're a minority of the population that buys their products.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by hamandcheese »

_ph_ wrote: post #531
hamandcheese wrote: post #437

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An Apple TV is not expensive compared to the cost of a conference room.

Just that I have never been in a conference room with an Apple TV attached to the projector. They are a pretty expensive addon considering that I rarely see other Macs at the business meetings I attend.

I suppose I live in a slightly different world than many - SF startup, everyone has a MacBook, so AppleTV in conference rooms is a no-brainer.
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