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Post by CydeWeys »

Wintamute wrote: post #326
criddell wrote: post #289

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> within the guidelines set out by our local governments Your local government may not care about you. I'd look to respected civilian experts or at least government agencies staffed by respected experts. I'm basing this on Texas' Lt. Governor Dan Patrick being willing to tolerate a lot of death for the sake of the economy: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/21/texas-dan-patrick-ec...

I understand that aspect too. I mention local guidelines since I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble with the state. The economy is not an abstract thing, it represents living people and their lives. People who feel its important to prioritise the economy and a return to relative normality generally don't think that way because they're callous about Covid deaths, they're simply more concerned about the death, ill…

Local guidelines have been highly politicized throughout this pandemic though and a lot of governors have been making terrible decisions for political reasons. I'm not seeing any rational reason to listen to local guidelines when the guidelines are politically-motivated (not evidence-based) and are set way too loose even while COVID-19 was in the midst of tearing through a community.

Many of these states couldn't even get on board with masks, let alone anything else more stringent (like reducing capacity).

Re: I Miss My Bar

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Post by brodouevencode »

woutr_be wrote: post #219
brodouevencode wrote: post #198

Me being a meathead thought this was about lifting weights.

The only time I felt the pandemic affected me was when they closed the gyms. I was on a 5 day workout routine before, and suddenly being without that was the moment I started struggling. The gyms have finally opened up again two days ago, and while most of my body is hurting now, my mental well-being is going up again.

The lack of gyms has hurt people in immeasurable ways. For some it’s a way of life, if not just good therapy. There are more victims to covid than those that contracted the virus.

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

kelnos wrote: post #387
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #348

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> I think your own statement is proof that this is not the case. We know social distancing works, yet you don't want to implement it. I said I don't want to force it on people - I never said it was a bad idea to remove yourself from close contact with strangers during a pandemic. Forcing it on people is how you get deaths of despair, run everyone's businesses to the ground, and ruin every healthy person's life who is…

> I said I don't want to force it on people - I never said it was a bad idea to remove yourself from close contact with strangers during a pandemic. Allowing anyone to opt out disproportionately negatively affects people who are unable to isolate for whatever reason: essential job, medical emergency, etc. People not isolating creates more risk for the grocery checkout person or power plant operator, for example. > So…

We are unable to identify when, where, and how an individual got infected with COVID-19. It is absurd to say that people "not isolating" creates more risk, unless those not isolating are the people at risk in the first place. Those at risk of dying from something as benign as COVID-19 ought to be nowhere near a power plant or a supermarket. The responsibility to not die from COVID-19 is in the hands of the individual at risk of dying from it. If you are that frail and in such poor health, stay away from the public. You don't need a damn law to enforce that, since this is typically what is done naturally in human populations; the sick & frail stay home and out of the public, the healthy live on and try to keep the world turning.

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

scubbo wrote: post #343
m0deran wrote: post #288

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> Fine. Don't force it on us. If it's the right solution, then it will be followed. Do you actually, really believe this? Do you really believe that if that the research studies come out and say “hey stay inside” that everyone will read the studies front-to-back and go “oh, it’s in the public interest for everyone to stay inside”? Is this a thing that you think will happen in America? > impose further fascism What is…

> What is fascism? When the government does something I don't like /s

Locking people inside their homes for arbitrary reasons was a practice in which all officially-fascist governments engaged.

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Post by toyg »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #422
OminousWeapons wrote: post #404

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If your response to me posting sources is going to be "I don't believe any data that emerges from China" then why did you ask for sources?

I guess there aren't any non-chinese sources then? OP was likely asking because he wanted to see non-Chinese sources on this.

There likely aren’t non-American sources for American data either, or non-European sources for European data. The only people with access to a given country’s data are the authorities of that country. Health statistics are not like election monitoring.

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Post by mellavora »

jeofken wrote: post #147
74d-fe6-2c6 wrote: post #84

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Legally, though, in solitude. In Germany only one person can officially visit another household. I think that is excessive bullshit which is why I do break this rule occasionally.

Good! The relationship between you and the Bundesrepublik is a non-voluntary one, where you never signed a contract with them to follow their laws. It’s a state created by the victors of the last great war. There is no moral responsibility to please people who are in your life involuntarily

Did you ever read Leviathan (Hobbes)?

Re: I Miss My Bar

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Post by Wintamute »

CydeWeys wrote: post #461
Wintamute wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that aspect too. I mention local guidelines since I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble with the state. The economy is not an abstract thing, it represents living people and their lives. People who feel its important to prioritise the economy and a return to relative normality generally don't think that way because they're callous about Covid deaths, they're simply more concerned about the death, ill…

Local guidelines have been highly politicized throughout this pandemic though and a lot of governors have been making terrible decisions for political reasons. I'm not seeing any rational reason to listen to local guidelines when the guidelines are politically-motivated ( not evidence-based) and are set way too loose even while COVID-19 was in the midst of tearing through a community. Many of these states couldn't ev…

I'm from the UK, we have national guidelines and laws, so the situation is a bit different.

But I wonder what claim to authority or special knowledge you are using to feel confident your own attitude is purely rational, and uninfluenced by your political beliefs and personal biases?

Moreover, whatever you think about the balance of scientific evidence, science should not be used to directly drive policy. Elected politicians create policy, and science is one sort of advice that feeds those decisions. Policy created purely from scientific advice would be a recipe for arbitrary decisions, and technocratic undemocratic rule. The politically motivated aspect is a feature not a bug!

Re: I Miss My Bar

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Post by jeofken »

mellavora wrote: post #466
jeofken wrote: post #147

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Good! The relationship between you and the Bundesrepublik is a non-voluntary one, where you never signed a contract with them to follow their laws. It’s a state created by the victors of the last great war. There is no moral responsibility to please people who are in your life involuntarily

Did you ever read Leviathan (Hobbes)?

I’m familiar with it as being ethically relativist (no universal eternal ethics) and arguing that man needs to be ruled to live in peace.

Would you recommend spending a couple of weeks on it? If so, are there translations to modern English, or is the original easy to understand for us in this century?

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Post by np- »

globular-toast wrote: post #442
np- wrote: post #279

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Saying you don't "understand" something when it's clearly, obviously understandable with a shred of empathy - especially since you live in the UK and have likely met many people who go to the pub for reasons beyond "reproduction" sounds extremely condescending at best, and malicious at worst. If that wasn't your intention, then yes, I suggest you go back and try to improve your writing style.

Nah, I think the problem is I was talking about me but everyone else think I'm talking about them. I learnt a long time ago to accept that people are the they are. I don't try to analyse people. I just thought you empathetic people would find it interesting to hear how I feel. I guess I was wrong.

lol, the problem ain't me, it's everybody else. Well, good luck in life! :)

Re: I Miss My Bar

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Post by RhodoGSA »

DanBC wrote: post #453
RhodoGSA wrote: post #310

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No - I don't. If you are at a bar at the height of the pandemic, i'm definitely not causing you any harm by being there also. However, I do avoid my family who might be older. I don't go to large family gatherings. I do, however, believe American Ideals of freedom and free speech have definitely been harmed through this ordeal. No one can have any different opinion about COVID without being canceled. As we are gettin…

> massive suicide increases > but the suicide rate spiked by 30% Neither of these have happened.

See my anecdotal comment above. Also, do alittle research on the parabolic rise in suicide hotlines. People's mental health has been damaged and that fact can't be discounted. Mental health is as important as physical health in my opinion, if not more.
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