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Post by zo1 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #215
_uwiz wrote: post #50

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Different countries, and different situations. Living in a big old house in the country with your family? Your life is probably basically the same as it always was. Potentially better, depending on the work situation. Okay, sure, you're not going on as many holidays, and depending on how strict the rules are where you are, dinner parties are off the cards. Living in a flat as a single person in the big exciting city?…

> Living in a flat as a single person in the big exciting city? Literally everything you do has been illegal or restricted in some form for almost a year now. And unsafe , too. I'm not not going to restaurants because I'm not allowed to (they're actually opening back up a little bit here now), but because under the present circumstances it's not safe to do so.

That argument means nothing unless you're also able to decide for yourself what to do about something "unsafe". Consent is key, and we're watching in real time as we are turned into human livestock under the care of the "state".

It boils down to: "Shut up, stay in your pen". I'm not a crazy person and I agree with herd immunity and generally think we should strive for it and not fight it for the sake of the unhealthy, but excuse the language, holy-shit people... it's been a year of "flatten the curve", "lockdowns" and "stay at home orders"!! I stand by this fully: This disaster could have been solved in a month with closed borders, tracking and a dedicated, absolute and draconian effort. But, we didn't get that and instead treated the potentially "misbehaving" people like cattle because they threatened the wider herd.

It all rests on what happens after a wide rollout of the vaccine.

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Post by edmundofuentes »

nomdep wrote: post #296
edmundofuentes wrote: post #197

That's our local bar in Monterrey, Mexico [1]! We received some paper flyers with a QR when we had our first lockdown, it's nice seeing it pop up in HN. If anyone's wondering, the bar is still open and operating on a very limited capacity, which has made it much nicer in my opinion. Also, the usual jazz quartet has been replaced with a trio with much younger musicians, since understandably the older musicians don't w…

When you see the owner, please tell they to add their address including city and country somewhere. I was wondering where in the world they were located and I couldn't find it anywhere, not even in their FB page.

Just did! I bet they weren't expecting their website to be trending outside of Monterrey.

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Post by Axien »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #277
dominotw wrote: post #273

I think not knowing when this is ending is worst part. I now know what the protagonist of the movie 'oldboy' meant by that. also on a unrelated note, "you will see in two weeks" crowd seems to have completely disappeared.

The "two weeks to flatten the curve" feels like gaslghting in retrospect.

The curve was flattened, but the goalpost changed. We went from flattening the curve to eliminating the virus. With flattening the curve, the question should be "how full are the hospitals"?. Instead, the metric was infection rates.

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Post by kelnos »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #225
Clewza313 wrote: post #179

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I'm sorry if it comes off as callous, but we're comparing incidents of mass death here and disability-adjusted life years is how insurance companies and demographers do it. To be clear, I'm not saying it's a good thing that 500k people have died from COVID in the US, but simply that having same number of young, healthy people getting gunned down in the Battle of the Somme is almost any measure objectively worse.

Do you really not know any young people who have been permanently damaged by COVID? I know multiple people in their 20s and 30s that spent weeks in the ER and will never be the same. I'm always surprised to find people who think the lockdown is excessive. COVID is absolutely no joke even if you're young, it's not the flu. Not even close, you don't want it.

Not the parent poster, but I still think a bunch of people getting killed in a war is worse than dying from COVID, even if they are literally the same people dying in both cases.

The latter is just nature being nature, and while we can respond in some ways to reduce deaths, it will never be perfect. I get that in some ways that feels worse, because there's a feeling of powerlessness. But the former is humans being shitty and murdering each other in the name of nationalism, land, resources, religion, whatever.

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Post by cullinap »

OminousWeapons wrote: post #345
cullinap wrote: post #338

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Any sources showing that china brought it under control?

https://www.who.int/director-general/speeches/detail/who-dir... https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/world/asia/china-covid-ec... I am also getting anecdata from people living in Shanghai and Beijing. Life has largely returned to normal outside of people wearing masks.

Was there a reliable test in Feb 2020 at the time of the WHO article?. Who is to say that they are reporting the numbers correctly? For most of Jan 2020, china claimed covid was mild and wasn't spread human to human (and the WHO backed them up for some time as well).

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Post by camgunz »

dominotw wrote: post #366
camgunz wrote: post #357

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I don't think we need a scientific study to know that centuries of systemic violence is worse than Zoom church.

we also know that social isolation causes depression and anxiety. "As the pandemic ushered in isolation and financial hardship, overdose deaths reached new heights" [1] Again, What is their basis for what is ok and what is not. Emotions. correct? Who are they to decide which population is expendable. 1. https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/16/as-pandemic-ushered-in-i...

Overdose deaths definitely spiked in the early months of the pandemic. I haven't been able to find anything after 5/2020, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that no one's in the pink of mental health right now, and that means the vulnerable among of us are much more at risk.

But I don't think doctors are making decisions about advice based on emotions. COVID-19 is the most likely cause of death for people 25-44 [1] (supplanting unintentional opioid overdose deaths). COVID-19 has a hugely disproportionate effect on communities of color [2]. Systemic racism also causes deaths; look at asthma for example [3].

Finally, even the CDC is kind of at a loss as to what to do about overdose deaths [4]. Essentially they're like "get more naloxone and get more treatment."

> Who are they to decide which population is expendable.

I get where you're coming from here but, I don't think it's as simple as "lockdowns kill people" because:

- Not imposing a lockdown also kills people

- Even in the absence of a lockdown order, people are hesitant to get together

- There are lots of ways to socialize and get outside that are very low risk (pods, outdoor activities)

- COVID-19 deaths are far, far outstripping opioid overdose deaths due to lockdowns (the numbers I've found show that COVID-19 deaths exceed all opioid overdose deaths, not just the total YoY increase).

But if I could summarize what I think your points have been, I think your argument is broadly that doctors treated George Floyd's murder and the subsequent protests differently than hardships in other communities, and that at least indicates some level of emotional reaction if not outright bias. But I think they themselves have explained why they reacted differently, and I think the data (gathered by medical researchers and social scientists) back them up.

[1]: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201026/COVID-19-now-like...

[2]: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/09/16/covid-...

[3]: https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=4&lvlid=1...

[4]: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p1218-overdose-death...

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Post by kelnos »

AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #348
solosoyokaze wrote: post #272

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I'm not making any cash on this, and I want the lockdown to continue. Because I don't want COVID and have a rudimentary knowledge of how disease is transmitted. > Social isolation may be the best solution. Fine. Don't force it on us. If it's the right solution, then it will be followed. I think your own statement is proof that this is not the case. We know social distancing works, yet you don't want to implement it.…

> I think your own statement is proof that this is not the case. We know social distancing works, yet you don't want to implement it. I said I don't want to force it on people - I never said it was a bad idea to remove yourself from close contact with strangers during a pandemic. Forcing it on people is how you get deaths of despair, run everyone's businesses to the ground, and ruin every healthy person's life who is…

> I said I don't want to force it on people - I never said it was a bad idea to remove yourself from close contact with strangers during a pandemic.

Allowing anyone to opt out disproportionately negatively affects people who are unable to isolate for whatever reason: essential job, medical emergency, etc. People not isolating creates more risk for the grocery checkout person or power plant operator, for example.

> Social distancing is a decision an individual makes, and a rational individual would choose to do this if they wanted to live without the risk of getting infected.

It's just selfishness (or at best rank ignorance) to believe that whether or not you personally isolate only affects your health.

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Post by jjgreen »

oarsinsync wrote: post #134
kortilla wrote: post #96

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> You can drink without getting drunk. No shit. The problem is that when you get into the habit of drinking 2-3 drinks every night you’re bordering substance abuse. Also, “a few glasses” is enough to be arrested for drunk driving, so you might not be the caricature of a drunk but you’re drunk nonetheless. Severance is a great way to understand your relationship with alcohol. The only reason it even seems weird is bec…

> The problem is that when you get into the habit of drinking 2-3 drinks every night you’re bordering substance abuse If you're drinking 3 bottles of beer a night, 7 days a week, you're likely consuming 6 units of alcohol a day, or 42 a week. The NHS (UK health service) recommends less than 14 units a week, spread across at least 3 days (so less than 5 units a day, 3 days a week, tops).[0] Drinking 3 beers a day 7 da…

Could you link to the science behind those limits?

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Post by kelnos »

pb7 wrote: post #314
Uberphallus wrote: post #308

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> 2.4M people is 0.03% of the global population. Heart disease alone kills 0.23% of the global population per year. One would have thought that by now we wouldn't be comparing fatality rates of a disease that propagates exponentially when left unchecked, with a more or less stable family of diseases that isn't contagious, but here we are, apple pies to orange sorbets.

Masks and social distancing alone would have sufficed. South Korea is proof of that.

If we're talking about South Korea, you need to add widespread testing, mandatory quarantine for confirmed cases, and isolation for people possibly exposed.

Regardless, areas of the US that have mask and social distancing mandates still have high case rates. It seems like the driver of surges in those areas are mainly due to people violating other restrictions, like having indoor gatherings.

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Post by ghaff »

Notorious_BLT wrote: post #378
leesalminen wrote: post #218

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Pretty sure one of Biden’s main talking points of his election campaign was that America would start listening to the scientists more closely.

So far no meaningful action has been taken that indicates he's particularly concerned. He's focused on trying to reopen schools, last I heard. Some people have argued that the vaccinations are evidence of his success regarding Covid-19 but I don't see any part of that that wouldn't have been proceeding with or without him. As far as I can tell, the only difference between Trump and Biden's handling of covid has been…

Oh I'm sure he's concerned. But there's precious little he can do other than doing what he can to get vaccines rolled out faster and closing borders to foreigners. Most people certainly support the former and most are at worst indifferent to the latter. He can also set a "good example."

But getting into a tussle with states he thinks are opening up too much, etc. is almost certainly counterproductive at this point.

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