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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by stjohnswarts »

javajosh wrote: post #178
ryandrake wrote: post #90

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OpenStreetMap has a page[1] on this. TLDR: Private individuals surveying is illegal in China, which seems to outlaw the entire OSM project and any participation or contribution. I am not a lawyer or expert on Chinese law so who knows. 1: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/China

That is rather chilling, is it not? That a nation would prevent its citizens from looking around and measuring what they see? I can't help but wonder how the chickens will come home to roost.

No where near as chilling as to be constantly being anxious about your social score, getting disappeared for political speech, overstepping your bounds with a corrupt local government official, and a 100 other things.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by stjohnswarts »

joakleaf wrote: post #241
misnome wrote: post #167

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How are they deceiving people outside China when only showing the difference inside China?

Well, for one thing because we outside China would automatically assume they are showing the same thing inside China as we see. Now we know that is not true. That is deceptive. ... And a a shareholder, I was also kept in the dark -- Which is actually also pretty problematic and deceptive.

I wouldn't assume that because anyone who knows anything about different politics in different countries would know that companies there have to cooperate and comply with local laws and all that implies.

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Post by robotresearcher »

whatshisface wrote: post #214
PoignardAzur wrote: post #209

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I'm no sympathizer to the CCP, but I don't think this argument makes sense in our time. There's a big gap between a private individual looking around, and lots of private individuals coordinating to look at everything all the time. Modern technology is making that gap larger year after year.

That argument would be more appropriate if OSM was about something other than where the streets went.

Until 2000, the US reduced the accuracy of GPS for civilian applications. The UK removed street signs and railway station names in anticipation of German invasion in WWII. Kuwaitis removed street signs when Iraq invaded in 1990.

'Where the streets go' is strategically valuable information.

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Post by d3nj4l »

quitit wrote: post #316
gbasin wrote: post #114

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I compared the same area in apple vs google maps, the islands don't even show up in google unless you zoom way in. You sure about this?

People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

To add, India has a similar law for maps. Any company serving maps in India has to show, for example, all of Kashmir - including the ones we aren't in control of - as belonging to India. I've made a small hobby out of noting websites which should be illegal in India because of that. A recent memorable incident (not a website, and not found by me) was when John Oliver's Last Week Tonight did a show on Asian-Americans and the Indian streaming service that hosted LWT had to crop the map out. It's pretty funny.

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Post by cachvico »

quitit wrote: post #316
gbasin wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I compared the same area in apple vs google maps, the islands don't even show up in google unless you zoom way in. You sure about this?

People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

Would be fascinating to see all of these discrepancies highlighted.

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Post by smoldesu »

8bitsrule wrote: post #352
gonehome wrote: post #14

Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

So much for throwing a sledgehammer at Big Brother. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I ]

This ad aged like milk, considering they stood for a while as The Biggest Brother.

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Post by steve76 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #250
ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

"Apple has, and will, fold to government pressure faster than a lawn chair." As a publicly-traded, trillion dollar company, where profits are at stake, this would seem to make sense. What does not seem to make sense is why anyone would believe Apple might ignore its own financial interests and those of its shareholders and deliberately sacrifice a major opportunity^1 in order to resist government pressure based on so…

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Post by kumarvvr »

bell-cot wrote: post #31
ohmanjjj wrote: post #11

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Apple paid protection money. Pretty simple, no need to sugar coat it

That I am aware of, "protection money" clearly implies that the payments are to a criminal organization - which is separate from, and unauthorized by, the established state. The MacRumors story seems very clear that Apple and Mr. Cook's deal was with the Chinese government, and the ruling Chinese Communist Party. Do you have information to the contrary? Or is your point merely to voice anger at China, the CCP, Apple,…

When politicians use their power to threaten and block access to markets, the behavior is no different from that of a criminal gang.

Using power to gain unfair advantage.

So yes, this is protection money / bribe.

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