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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by onepointsixC »

star-trek-fleet wrote: post #151
onepointsixC wrote: post #105

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>I have stated multiple times that muslim or uygur genocide in Xinjiang is a laughable propaganda lie.

That you have stated so does not mean if it is true or not. Your Chinese source doesn't change the fact that Uyghur birthrates dropped by a 60% between 2015 to 2018 according to Chinese government statistics. From 2016 there was a seven-fold increase in sterilization [1]. There are no natural reasons why that would happen, only to Uyghurs, entirely limited within Xinjiang in such a short amount of time. It is the textbook definition of genocide [2].

[1]: https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... [2]: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by ethbr0 »

acomjean wrote: post #144
silisili wrote: post #87

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Apple is big enough and rich enough that they don't need Chinese manufacturing. It is a nicety, and probably cheaper, but they could have probably picked about any country to do it and set up shop. As pointed out, Samsung does all their mfg in Korea and Vietnam. Oneplus setup shop in India for some devices...and Apple is much more powerful than BBK.

Their cpus are manufactured in Taiwan, which is kinda China. Those bleeding edge components are important to excellent performance of their products.

I'm sure China would be quite happy if Taiwan was even kinda China.

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Post by ntSean »

tonyhb wrote: post #149
topicseed wrote: post #123

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Google Maps is blocked in China, I think.

So, as much as people like to throw shade at Google, we can say that they haven't caved on this. That's a plus for them.

It’s not that they didn’t cave, Google products are unavailable due to sanctions.

Google Search for example was heavily modified for the Chinese market.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by vkou »

wolverine876 wrote: post #165
vkou wrote: post #119

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The difference is that Russia has been stuck in that quagmire for 30 years[1], whereas in China, most of those people would have been impoverished rural poor, 30 years ago. When you have observed a colossal material improvement in your life, and you have hope for the future, you can overlook a lot of problems with governance. [1] Yes, yes, Moscow is not an active disaster zone. Russia does not begin and end in Moscow…

> When you have observed a colossal material improvement in your life, and you have hope for the future, you can overlook a lot of problems with governance. It has been long believed to work the other way: Poor people don't have the education or resources to deal with governmance; they are trying to survive, working three jobs (if they can get them), etc. When the middle class expands is typically when democracy bloo…

Democracy doesn't bloom when the middle class expands. Democracy is just one possible outcome of political upheaval - and political upheaval happens when the middle class feels that their situation is hopeless.

Russia's 'middle class' expanded massively since the economic disaster of the 90s, but I would not describe it as being more democratic today than it was in 1995.

A rising middle class isn't why communism fell apart in the 80s, either. It fell apart because the country lost any faith that the system will bring future prosperity.

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Post by samstave »

gbasin wrote: post #114
ryandrake wrote: post #77

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Anyone who has worked in mapping/GIS at a company that sells in China has seen this in action. The "display these islands larger" requests, the obfuscated coordinate system for geo-aligning maps, and other map content regulatory issues[1] all need to be dealt with if you want your map product available in the country. Not excusing it, but every company with maps there is required to do this, not just Apple. 1: https:…

I compared the same area in apple vs google maps, the islands don't even show up in google unless you zoom way in. You sure about this?

What happens with satellite view?

What happens in Google Earth?

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Post by thrdbndndn »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #164
thrdbndndn wrote: post #136

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College education is dirty cheap in China compared to the US (income adjusted).

this doesn't support "China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems.".

I'm not replying to that. I'm replying to your comment.

And you now changed it to "College education are not compulsory and free in both countries" which is even more wrong..

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Post by mitigating »

nradov wrote: post #122
ryandrake wrote: post #77

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Anyone who has worked in mapping/GIS at a company that sells in China has seen this in action. The "display these islands larger" requests, the obfuscated coordinate system for geo-aligning maps, and other map content regulatory issues[1] all need to be dealt with if you want your map product available in the country. Not excusing it, but every company with maps there is required to do this, not just Apple. 1: https:…

While these are in no way comparable to China's demands, several other countries have also forced satellite imagery vendors to blur out certain sensitive areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_satellite_map_images_w...

They are in no way comparable because if an area in a map is blurred I know the information is restricted.

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Post by javajosh »

ryandrake wrote: post #90
junon wrote: post #82

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This is a mind boggling realization. Is OSM data also compromised in the same way?

OpenStreetMap has a page[1] on this. TLDR: Private individuals surveying is illegal in China, which seems to outlaw the entire OSM project and any participation or contribution. I am not a lawyer or expert on Chinese law so who knows. 1: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/China

That is rather chilling, is it not? That a nation would prevent its citizens from looking around and measuring what they see? I can't help but wonder how the chickens will come home to roost.

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Post by wolverine876 »

vkou wrote: post #174
wolverine876 wrote: post #165

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> When you have observed a colossal material improvement in your life, and you have hope for the future, you can overlook a lot of problems with governance. It has been long believed to work the other way: Poor people don't have the education or resources to deal with governmance; they are trying to survive, working three jobs (if they can get them), etc. When the middle class expands is typically when democracy bloo…

Democracy doesn't bloom when the middle class expands. Democracy is just one possible outcome of political upheaval - and political upheaval happens when the middle class feels that their situation is hopeless. Russia's 'middle class' expanded massively since the economic disaster of the 90s, but I would not describe it as being more democratic today than it was in 1995. A rising middle class isn't why communism fell…

I didn't say that it happened automatically.

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Post by tene »

ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

Does anyone have any insight into the motivation behind making the islands appear larger? I haven't been able to come up with any plausible guesses about what "make the islands look big" would be helpful in achieving.
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