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Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by small_model »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #158
amazingamazing wrote: post #101

Why do people feel the need to go to X so strongly? What am I missing? I don't use nitter or X

Because despite the fact that they're both free and cost nothing to use, a lot of government agencies, companies, and press refuse to use or crosspost to Mastodon or Bluesky. Literally the only cost is setting up an IFTTT workflow or a script, or having an AI agent do it for you, etc. People will complain, in the same sentence, that bsky/mastodon will dilute their follower count and interactions, and "nobody uses it.…

Well it's true, these clones were attempts to cash in on the left wing Elon manufactured hate, nitter and xcancel are similar.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by croon »

koyote wrote: post #310
numpad0 wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way France have no clause in its law everywhere that can be creatively interpreted to be used for that purpose. But that won't get enforced unless there will be a better option than Twitter that average Paris Metro employees understand; they would not be dumb, but they would not care. Average people today can barely grasp the concept of a password.

Surely it shouldn't be to difficult to come up with a sort of plugin-type approach like I've seen in various 'comments' sections on existing websites: Simply embed the 'update' feed on a page in the existing website and have some kind of admin panel where employees can easily CRUD some updates. I guess because even this would not be 'free', twitter ends up winning.

> some kind of admin panel where employees can easily CRUD some updates

In my experience this is usually the crux. That software always rots, and needs whatever (minimal) on-ramping for employees, as well as access management.

If I could wave a wand at those solutions I'd stop fighting the user and let them post to Twitter or wherever, and just have a public facing page pull those posts as updates for consumers outside of whatever walled garden they originate from.

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Post by sigmoid10 »

byoogle wrote: post #317
codechicago277 wrote: post #3

Few details but glad to see the project will continue. Given how much crucial information is posted exclusively to X, having an alternative frontend is important. Interesting that they were inspired by Invidious (alternative YouTube frontend). That’s another project that could use some love. Hopefully AI coding tools can do some good and make it easier for these projects to find ways into the walled gardens and work…

Agent First is the name of my startup ( https://agentfirst.dev/ ), which mostly does what you described. :-)

>Agent First’s supercluster of real, well-behaved browsers bypasses or solves reCAPTCHA, Cloudflare Turnstile, hCaptcha, & other captchas

Can you share how you prevent spammers from simply using this to do what they usually do, or, if not, how you will stop Cloudflare et al. from marking your browsers as bots and hammering them with captchas? Easy access to the plain web for bots is a pretty tough cat and mouse game and I have been playing it with very short term success at best myself.

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Post by OroPla »

vidarh wrote: post #164
OroPla wrote: post #143

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How is it not censorship if you are making the decision for not only yourself, but others, too? It sounds like saying bleeping swear words on TV isn't censorship because you just don't want to hear bad language.

If I refuse Nazis access to my house and other people chose to visit my house knowing I won't let Nazis in, I'm not censoring Nazis as I have no influence on their freedom of speech - they remain entirely free to speak elsewhere, to people who are willing to listen. I have no power to stop them from speaking, just to offer those who don't want to listen somewhere where they won't have to. Nobody is forced to join a M…

I never used either Twitter or Mastodon and don't quite understand what people use these platforms for. But I hear folks saying they are there because other people they know are there.

How would it work on Mastodon if you want to communicate with two people that happen to have each others instances blocked? Is it like having to use both Twitter and BlueSky or does it solve the problem more elegantly?

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Post by GJim »

kitd wrote: post #333
echelon wrote: post #131

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Google and Facebook fucked up the internet. The internet we had in the 90's and early 00's was amazing. Everything felt free, indie, hackable, composable, ingestible. You didn't worry about platforms because most platforms exposed their data via friendly APIs (remember when Reddit and Twitter had an API and that they encouraged people to actually use them?) RSS everywhere, websites with honest to god Bittorrent links…

> Google and Facebook fucked up the internet. I'd say advertising has fucked up the Internet. Everything they (and plenty of others) have done has been to collect and sell personal data to advertising brokers.

> I'd say advertising has fucked up the Internet

Nothing wrong with honest advertising per se..... back in the day we bought computer magazines mainly for the adverts.

Rather, the problem is the SV AdTech industry which seeks to track me, invade my privacy at every opportunity and is busy sniffing my knickers trying to work out if I'm pregnant so they can sell me more shite.

One observes the FUD those employed by AdTEch are spreading on here about the GDPR; a bunch of people whose very salaries are dependent on abusing our privacy.

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Post by Vaslo »

sanskritical wrote: post #186
shevy-java wrote: post #70

Total defeat of Elon "I have too much money" Musk. Now we need an alternative that works well and is de-centralized from the get go.

> Now we need an alternative that works well and is de-centralized from the get go. It's called Nostr. I post on it every day.

Who?

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Post by userbinator »

gblargg wrote: post #299

Door 1: try to take down sites offering a lite version that people prefer over x.com. Door 2: improve x.com to be better than third-party sites. Which is, Elon?

How much does he even care about the details of X these days?

I suspect the original C&Ds were just their legal team wanting to "do something" upon hearing about Nitter somehow, and not Elon personally commanding them.

...and I noticed that X did bring back a (quite) limited JS-free "lite version" recently, so maybe they are changing for the better.

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Post by PennRobotics »

progval wrote: post #152
gloosx wrote: post #82

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If you dont mind, could you share an example of information posted exclusively on twitter which was crucial to you? Just curious;)

Paris' subway and local train lines each have a Twitter account, and they are the only reliable source of information regarding outages. Phone apps (at least three official ones with different data sources!) and websites can be outdated. Displays in station too (though less often), have outages of their own, and (rarely) even incorrect updates.

It's been a while since I've used Twitter, but I thought the tweet ordering was never chronological. Has this changed? You just have to trust that the algorithm will always surface relevant information to the top of the feed?

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Post by alansaber »

bix6 wrote: post #208
alansaber wrote: post #52

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AI is good at volume, bad at accuracy and nuance. Of all the tasks to go through with a fine-toothed comb (ie, manually) legal is one.

And yet all the lawyers are dripping in AI. I got a near final doc from one the other day with a bunch of perplexity bullshit in it. How is this real life…

Just as many junior devs are serving slop PRs. Unfortunately, you can only take a horse to water.
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