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Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by trhaynes »

smcin wrote: post #280
progval wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paris' subway and local train lines each have a Twitter account, and they are the only reliable source of information regarding outages. Phone apps (at least three official ones with different data sources!) and websites can be outdated. Displays in station too (though less often), have outages of their own, and (rarely) even incorrect updates.

Doesn't their own Île-de-France Mobilités app have reliable information on outages? Surely it's more reliable than their Twitter account?

For me a website is much more accessible than a phone app in many situations.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by kay_o »

delichon wrote: post #42
miningtcup wrote: post #27

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The major instances are coming back online.

Twitter has a history of tracking down leakers by watermarks. https://theintercept.com/2022/12/15/elon-musk-leaks-twitter/ Nitter might want to make sure that their scrapes are bit-identical to other accounts to defeat this.

Threat model a bit different, they can just request xcancel.com/unique-string and check what IP or account requested unique-string IMO

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Post by aaron695 »

codechicago277 wrote: post #3

Few details but glad to see the project will continue. Given how much crucial information is posted exclusively to X, having an alternative frontend is important. Interesting that they were inspired by Invidious (alternative YouTube frontend). That’s another project that could use some love. Hopefully AI coding tools can do some good and make it easier for these projects to find ways into the walled gardens and work…

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Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by alex1138 »

mitxela wrote: post #238
mosura wrote: post #200

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That Google failed to turn Google Reader into a giant open blogging social network and instead created G+ is something we will still be wondering after Google itself has stopped existing.

Institutional misincentives at Google. People are promoted for launching a product, and they're promoted away from the product they launched, and nobody wants to maintain it since you don't get promoted for maintaining a product someone else launched.

I had to 'vouch' this comment. It was [dead]. Why? Who sits here lurking this site flagging every single thing they disagree with?

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Post by mitxela »

alex1138 wrote: post #285
mitxela wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Institutional misincentives at Google. People are promoted for launching a product, and they're promoted away from the product they launched, and nobody wants to maintain it since you don't get promoted for maintaining a product someone else launched.

I had to 'vouch' this comment. It was [dead]. Why? Who sits here lurking this site flagging every single thing they disagree with?

It was [dead] but not [flagged] [dead], which means it was killed by automatic filter. We can only speculate on what that filter might be.

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Post by parineum »

marcosdumay wrote: post #268
parineum wrote: post #265

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as much as I dislike when people proselytize mastodon, it seems like a very tidy solution to this problem.

As long as the service provider runs an instance in their infrastructure and allows everybody to read. That said, RSS seems way simpler.

I don't disagree and I'm not a mastodon user but, as far as I know, if you local gov hosted an instance and your state gov did too, you could, essentially, join both and see them together?

RSS aggregation seems like the solution to me but I think we've got to admit defeat on that one because it's been around forever and people don't use it.

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Post by numpad0 »

mitxela wrote: post #251
numpad0 wrote: post #9

It'll be very funny if everything associated with Twitter branding would survive and the other one just didn't

Elon abandoned that trademark, it's up for grabs according to the law, even though a court didn't think so.

That means not even the court cares what Elon says anymore.

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Post by bentcorner »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #279
koyote wrote: post #231

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It almost seems like we need laws that information about public services have to be available on a public website (as opposed to a third-party website that requires registration). I personally do not know anyone in real life with a twitter account (although I have one, I have not used it in over 15 years), I wonder how many people just go without this information and are angry that it's (seemingly) not available.

> It almost seems like we need laws that information about public services have to be available on a public website Won't happen in the US/UK because the governments are in Elon's pockets. Won't happen in the EU because they are incapable of getting anything done. So unless you're in a jurisdiction other than the above three I wouldn't hold your breath about any laws being passed about this.

I think at best you could propose that public information be available without login.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by numpad0 »

koyote wrote: post #231
progval wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paris' subway and local train lines each have a Twitter account, and they are the only reliable source of information regarding outages. Phone apps (at least three official ones with different data sources!) and websites can be outdated. Displays in station too (though less often), have outages of their own, and (rarely) even incorrect updates.

It almost seems like we need laws that information about public services have to be available on a public website (as opposed to a third-party website that requires registration). I personally do not know anyone in real life with a twitter account (although I have one, I have not used it in over 15 years), I wonder how many people just go without this information and are angry that it's (seemingly) not available.

There's no way France have no clause in its law everywhere that can be creatively interpreted to be used for that purpose. But that won't get enforced unless there will be a better option than Twitter that average Paris Metro employees understand; they would not be dumb, but they would not care. Average people today can barely grasp the concept of a password.
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