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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Is there a world where frontier labs move to somewhere else like London to escape the business hurdles of the US? There are trillions at stake, is it a plausible scenario?

A world, yes. Plausible, no.

The US is already seeing energy market distortions from the power use of AI; the UK has a much smaller total electricity supply, both from a lower population and the baseline per person being lower.

Total UK demand in 2023 was 316.8 TWh[0], or an average of about 36 GW. The US currently has 33 GW of data centres, and the AI boom plan, so far as discern actual plans from AI hallucinations in the modern web, is about ten times that.

From the scales people talk about, my expectation is that even the smaller additional supply needed for the constant churn of newly trained frontier models would probably exceed what London alone can manage.

[0] generation less than that, it has imports; chapter 5: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a7e14da3c2a...

[1] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=316.8+TWh+%2F+year

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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> “I have determined that appropriate safeguards are in place to permit certain trusted partners to access the Claude Mythos 5 Model,” Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick wrote to Anthropic’s chief compute officer Tom Brown Friday why is the commerce secretary making this decision

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Because they have the money and the national security clearances to do whatever they want.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#473

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> No, you're just looking forward to being the only violent imperial power and to rule unopposed. You'd probably be a much more content person if you stopped going around the internet assuming things about random strangers on the basis of their nationalities.

Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not. If you're going to assume other people have ulterior agendas without evidence, you can't be surprised when people make assumptions about you in turn.

> Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not.

Why don't you specifically point to which of my comments you're referring to? Is it my response to the dubious throwaway account https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48695288?

China is increasingly aggressive towards its neighbors, and we don't even have to talk about Taiwan.

https://ipdefenseforum.com/2025/06/ccp-fighter-jets-harass-j...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_China_Coast_Guard_and_Peo...

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/supply-trade/philippines-...

https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-china-shined-laser-p...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-china-sea-conflict-...

America's aggression around the world is well-documented and is deplorable. That can be acknowledged and discussed without dismissing Chinese aggression. There's no law of the universe that says only one country can be a bad actor at the same time.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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> Does anyone think a startup with a good product is going to be materially disadvantaged by not having access to an incrementally better security focused LLM release? - It's not "incrementally better". It's a complete game changer. Opus 4.8 on max thinking does X amount of mistakes in my commercial work. Fable 5 did 5% of X. Counted. I barely had anything to contribute in the work sessions, for a full week I could c…

> I don't have too much unknowns in my work, I simply have way too much to do. Interesting, I'm curious what work you do? My software engineering career has never been in that situation, it's always so much ambiguity and unknown that trumps everything.

Fair question, and I was vague just so as not to balloon the comment.

I work in a financial startup. The codebase is a mess and very much spaghettified. One rework that forced us to migrate our data model from 1:1 usersloans to M:N (many-to-many) took two months and touched ~40% of the codebase... multiple times. Huge churn. And it just crossed two months of work, even though it's now in its very final phases.

I know what must I do:

- Introduce and enforce structs for passing context and input shapes around. So as to stop fighting with NULLs, lack of keys in maps and other maddening cases that inflate your coding lines for no other reason than programming languages not having higher-order constructs on well-researched and mostly resolved computer science problems (sigh; not going to rant here about that but it does tick me off how we are _all_ constantly reinventing the same wheels almost every day).

- Saga discipline: if step 6/9 in a pipeline fails, revert everything up to this point, even if it was touched by a 3rd party API.

- Compensation/undo steps. Including flagging / logging those that cannot be undone (sadly one part of our 3rd party APIs are like that).

- Introduce an universal runtime validator library that enforces contracts -- including conditional validation i.e. "only validate field Z if field X is present and is a positive integer and if field Y is present and is a valid UUID".

- Introduce runtime contracts / invariant enforcement.

- Introduce our own dynamic workflow engine, piggybacking off of a few free and unencumbered solutions in the language of choice's ecosystem.

...And these are just off the top of my head after I slept only 4.5h and woke up due to the heat. And each one of these can take from 2 to 6 weeks _even_ with Opus driving all coding and me reviewing and keeping it behaving within my policies and coding standards.

Me & Claude are maintaining a TODO list that is no smaller than 150 items at this point (though in fairness, at least 75% of them are fairly small and not architectural like the ones above).

I believe I know how to architect this thing but business customers and the CEO keep coming back with feature requests which of course always take priority.

When Fable 5 was around, for mere 4 workdays, I not only went ahead of my own schedule feature-work-wise but even had the bandwidth to start tackling a few other architectural decisions, tightened them up in `CLAUDE.md` and Fable even devised an opinionated AST linter for test discipline (disallow direct DB access in our tests, only go through the domain/context modules to do so). It helped me start turning the tide.

This all went out the window when I had to go back to Opus 4.8. It's still _very_ good, mind you, but it does feel like I am a special-education teacher periodically. It forgets disciplines we discussed and codified likely 15-20 times at this point, forgets important project context and attempts to reintroduce subtle bugs, and a few others.

My next game is, with or without Fable, to continue its work and just enrich the AST-based linters to convert the theoretical prompt-based guard-rails into actual LLM hooks and compiler / runtime-at-startup hooks so the agent cannot ignore them.

I don't enjoy harness engineering but the interesting and very positive effect has been that it helped me think more like an architect and less like a coding monkey, which I do hugely appreciate and only realized I was missing it for years after it actually started happening again.

Hope that helps put things in context.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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My tin foil hat version of myself says it is because the whole thing is a marketing stunt and certain members of the administration are getting kick backs for it.

Marketing stunt by who dude? Do you really think Anthropic would really go this far? This whole situation is completely absurd. The federal government is arbitrarily restricting AI models without really providing any reasoning. This is not a clear and transparent government and it just feels like gears are moving behind the scenes that have lead this out of character restriction of private and extremely wealthy (at l…

why not? they have been sued for 1.5Billion, with a B. do you think you get that because you play fair or are such great guys...? how much money do they spend on lobbying? if you count it you will see it. if not then perhaps do some homework and open your eyes.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Next time someone tells you this is the party of free market and small government, I guess you just laugh now?

That's always been a relative, rather than absolute statement. Genuine question: if Democrats take power, do you expect them to be more interventionist or less interventionist with respect to AI? Bernie's jockeying leads me to suspect "more", but I could very well be wrong. (FWIW I personally think modern AI falls in the small realm of potentially dangerous technologies that merit careful, ideally bipartisan, governm…

Less. They'd use congress and the courts.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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They have affiliated themselves to him. Watch, within a month of Democrats being back in power they’ll be harping small government, denigrating the national debt they ballooned themselves. There’s no reason to help them attempt to disavow it.

Trump will be called a liberal woke socialist within your lifetime because conservatives will need to distance themselves from him

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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My tin foil hat version of myself says it is because the whole thing is a marketing stunt and certain members of the administration are getting kick backs for it.

Marketing stunt by who dude? Do you really think Anthropic would really go this far? This whole situation is completely absurd. The federal government is arbitrarily restricting AI models without really providing any reasoning. This is not a clear and transparent government and it just feels like gears are moving behind the scenes that have lead this out of character restriction of private and extremely wealthy (at l…

While I also regard the "doom from the companies themselves is just a marketing stunt" arguments as conspiracy-theory territory (especially since neither OpenAI nor Anthropic* changed their tune since before they were rich enough for meaningful lobbying):

This particular specific doom is from the USG, Trump has a history of kayfabe, and there's a stink of market manipulation coming from the White House.

* Musk, however, you can totally have: "With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon" in 2014 to "if I go ahead and build this enormous robot army, can I just be ousted at some point in the future?" in 2025.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#480

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Probably due to the US government doing a constant stream of insane things that hurt Americans and their allies and China not doing that.

Yes this. China's leadership is pretty evil and clearly a danger to the world but not insane.

Can you elaborate?
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