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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by surgical_fire »

ElProlactin wrote: post #360
well_ackshually wrote: post #358

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> The US, under Trump, is a foreign policy disaster. The US, under every single president has been an imperialistic threat to half the world. From imposing embargoes, to overthrowing governments and supporting dictators and genocides all over the world. Half the world hates you, and the other half has begrudgingly no choice but to half assedly support the greatest threat that the world has ever known, a military in a…

I always find it strange to encounter people whose disposition to one violent imperial power is to welcome...more violent imperial powers. Strange form of sadomasochism.

I don't think China is more violent than the US.

The US has for like 90% of its history been at war in one form or another, typically killing people abroad.

I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium.

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Post by ElProlactin »

johnisgood wrote: post #389
ElProlactin wrote: post #350

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Throwaway account to leave a single comment minimizing the Chinese threat against Taiwan? Nah, nothing suspect about that. https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/a-different-kind-of-army...

Yeah, because criticizing the US, and/or making China look good can get you on certain lists. Maybe that is the reason? FWIW I do not buy into the "China bad, we good" narrative either. The US has done really fucked up things, bombed countries for freedom, there has been recent events as well. I do not even think they were ever the "good guys" they thought they are. In Hollywood movies, sure, but in reality? Nah.

> Yeah, because criticizing the US, and/or making China look good can get you on certain lists.

What lists? And what happens to people on those lists?

> Maybe that is the reason?

If you think people are signing up throwaway accounts to post replies to random comments, making no substantive or even controversial statements, I have a bridge to sell you. In the US or China. Take your pick.

> FWIW I do not buy into the "China bad, we good" narrative either.

I never presented that narrative.

> The US has done really fucked up things, bombed countries for freedom, there has been recent events as well. I do not even think they were ever the "good guys" they thought they are. In Hollywood movies, sure, but in reality? Nah.

I'd agree. But what does this have to do with an analysis of China?

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Post by moooo99 »

varjag wrote: post #395
sschueller wrote: post #382

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The LLM improvement curve will level off and with so many AI engineering being in China they will catch up quickly. The financial growth based on that everyone on earth will need to have an OpenAI or Anthropic subscription is quickly falling apart. DeepSeek V4 is good enough for most of my work that that I can no longer justify paying 100x for something else. The cost difference is astronomical.

Not sure why people here are so upbeat about China. It is almost guaranteed it will also introduce export controls on the models.

> It is almost guaranteed it will also introduce export controls on the models.

The current models are open weights and already out the door. They are hosted by many providers and are already comparatively good in many domains. Even if this generation is the last one to be open, I‘d argue it would already put the US providers in trouble

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Post by retsibsi »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #204
azan_ wrote: post #198

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But you did not make any point, you keep using buzzword without referencing any data. You did not even link exact study you are talking about (there are lots of nejm covid studies…). You did not reference a single number. So please, if you want math actually make your point without bullshit about me consuming media etc.

Seriously? There is only one study that the FDA cited to claim that it was safe and effective submitted by Pfizer. But let me help then. Let's ignore the fact that the head of the FDA was fired and replaced because he refused to say so. Let's just look at the research directly. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577 Love to hear your input here. Check the math carefully. > "Covid vaccines are very safe a…

If you can't actually say explicitly what your argument is, that is a very strong signal that you don't know what you're talking about and are likely to be wrong.

If you claim you don't have time, or it's not your job to educate us... that is an obvious copout, as you have already written hundreds of words and were the one to introduce this topic.

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Post by wood_spirit »

kulahan wrote: post #397
varjag wrote: post #395

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Not sure why people here are so upbeat about China. It is almost guaranteed it will also introduce export controls on the models.

I’ve been asking myself this question quite a bit lately. People seem to suddenly think China is a good alternative to the US hegemony status. I sincerely hope I’m just misreading things.

As the US jerks from being BDFL to bullying zero summer, it’s not surprising that the abstract fears of china seem manageable compared to the new pressing fears of the US.

Why as a European be more afraid of a country that whilst you wouldn’t want to live in and which has supported Russia is quiet and selling you cheap stuff vs a country who used to be a friend who is now wanting you to grovel for a bad deal and is also supporting Russia?

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Post by Certhas »

digitaltrees wrote: post #311
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #177

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Is there any evidence at all that would convince you that they're trying to mitigate real risks that actually exist?

Yes. A published policy with the right to appeal exclusions from the list. An equal standard for all companies rather than ad hoc application. A countervailing policy to mitigate the unfair advantage conferred on the companies that have early access (such as a higher tax rate that goes to fund ai job loses, and a commitment that AI use of the new models won’t result in layoffs). A requirement that hardware is made av…

That would convince me that the US Administration is capable of good governance and interested in a regulatory environment that furthers the public good and curtails excessive corporate power. A tough sell indeed. But that was not the question. They can be incompetent and corrupt and favouring the interests of their buddies, and also genuinely believe that the models are actually becoming dangerous (especially in the hands of other countries). It's simply impossible to tell what mix of motivations led to this mess.

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Post by snovv_crash »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #374
quietfox wrote: post #355

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Comparing AI models with missiles is a far fetch as long as citizenship is the single qualifier used to decide who’s allowed to be a customer. This is not a security related policy, it’s about strategically controlled economic power.

This has a long history and the US government are not completely stupid. They understand that some cornerstone technologies are high leverage even if they are not per se directly militarily relevant. Some classic examples of this, on which the US places severe export controls, was advanced materials science and inertial navigation technology. Neither of these are weapons but advanced technology in these domains great…

Another one is thermal vision cameras. Anything above 9fps (I guess an arbitrary cutoff to do with night-vision goggles) is export controlled. This is despite the technology being very valuable for many industrial and hobby applications.

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Post by wolvoleo »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #407
kulahan wrote: post #397

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I’ve been asking myself this question quite a bit lately. People seem to suddenly think China is a good alternative to the US hegemony status. I sincerely hope I’m just misreading things.

Probably due to the US government doing a constant stream of insane things that hurt Americans and their allies and China not doing that.

Yes this. China's leadership is pretty evil and clearly a danger to the world but not insane.

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Post by bluegatty »

koolala wrote: post #322
bluegatty wrote: post #308

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There's huge incentive. The government has arbitrary commandeered their business. This could ruin Anthropic. They are walking a tight rope with respect to revenues, hype, IPO. If this kills their hyper growth prospects, it could kill the IPO. If there's a serious change the gov. is out of line, the judges could put a stay and possibly throw this out. There may however be enough of a case, in which there's maybe not m…

Maybe they would prefer Nationalization more than an IPO.

Definitely not.

If this technology has export restrictions, then Anthropic and OpenAI will go out of business.

Anthropic's revenues are already 66% international.

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