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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by devsda »

ElProlactin wrote: post #286
jeroenhd wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't buy that anymore. The day America threatened to invade Canada and Denmark was the day America showed they cannot be trusted any more. It's not like China can be trusted either, but China isn't planning any direct invasions to the west. Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. They might get some info on you, but the data br…

> Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. So one of the world's biggest and most rapid military build-ups in history that is largely intended to give China the ability to seize a democratic country by force by 2027 over any US/Western efforts to protect it is OK because...it's "a long-term tactical game"? Note that China is not ju…

> The US, under Trump, is a foreign policy disaster.

This administration only removed the blinds on what has always been an adversarial policy, allies included.

If given a choice you may choose US or Chinese models for whatever reason it's fine, but there's no need to fall into the delusion that it is for moral reasons or obligations.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

LamaOfRuin wrote: post #279
jandrewrogers wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These regulations have been in place since the 1990s and have been applied by every administration. It isn’t a new authority and many companies have had the opportunity to fight it. Anthropic’s lawyers will know this.

None of them have asserted that export controls apply to whatever domestic distribution the administration says that never leaves the country.

Please read the actual regulations and laws. They do not work the way you are assuming. Companies with obligations under these regulations are required to actively prevent constructive export via domestic distribution. If you let a foreign country launder access to the tech through domestic channels, that is on you. It is why KYC laws exist.

You don’t want to fuck around with export control laws.

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Post by ryandrake »

alanwreath wrote: post #86

I’m not sure what the US government is trying to do. At first it seems like they are just trying to stifle some company that said no. Now they are just doing free publicity. It’s like never before have I wanted to try something out as much as this. They’re in effect saying “nothing else is as powerful as what Anthropic put out”. Even though that might not really be the case it’s what it sounds like.

It’s probably just basic corruption. Want access to Mythos for your company? Enrich someone in the administration. That’s how everything works now: they outlaw/tariff it and then you pay a bribe to get it back or get declared exempt.

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Post by [deleted] »

zarzavat wrote: post #349
wahnfrieden wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you certain? Trump admin is hand-picking GPT 5.6 winners

The Government's position is that Anthropic/OpenAI are forbidden from allowing non-US citizens use the models. This is impossible in reality because how can Anthropic know that the person sitting behind a Claude code session or API key is at any given moment a US citizen? You can check their ID on signup but how can they know that they didn't give their credentials to someone else to use? They can't. Given the imposs…

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Post by quietfox »

zarzavat wrote: post #349
wahnfrieden wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you certain? Trump admin is hand-picking GPT 5.6 winners

The Government's position is that Anthropic/OpenAI are forbidden from allowing non-US citizens use the models. This is impossible in reality because how can Anthropic know that the person sitting behind a Claude code session or API key is at any given moment a US citizen? You can check their ID on signup but how can they know that they didn't give their credentials to someone else to use? They can't. Given the imposs…

Comparing AI models with missiles is a far fetch as long as citizenship is the single qualifier used to decide who’s allowed to be a customer. This is not a security related policy, it’s about strategically controlled economic power.

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Post by vinay427 »

Dig1t wrote: post #295
goatlover wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This administration doesn't care about small companies anymore than it cares about regular Americans.

Anthropic has been touting how their newest model is basically a cyber weapon and is so dangerous that they need to only role it out to trusted people and make sure it has super restrictive guard rails. They are begging to be regulated. This is exactly what they’ve been asking for.

> This is exactly what they’ve been asking for.

This doesn't directly follow from the first part of your comment, and more importantly seems inaccurate with respect to Anthropic's public statements on this situation. For example:

> As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.

https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access

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Post by well_ackshually »

ElProlactin wrote: post #286
jeroenhd wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't buy that anymore. The day America threatened to invade Canada and Denmark was the day America showed they cannot be trusted any more. It's not like China can be trusted either, but China isn't planning any direct invasions to the west. Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. They might get some info on you, but the data br…

> Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. So one of the world's biggest and most rapid military build-ups in history that is largely intended to give China the ability to seize a democratic country by force by 2027 over any US/Western efforts to protect it is OK because...it's "a long-term tactical game"? Note that China is not ju…

> The US, under Trump, is a foreign policy disaster.

The US, under every single president has been an imperialistic threat to half the world. From imposing embargoes, to overthrowing governments and supporting dictators and genocides all over the world. Half the world hates you, and the other half has begrudgingly no choice but to half assedly support the greatest threat that the world has ever known, a military in a trenchcoat made to protect their dominance over world trade.

So, respectfully, fuck off. The Chinese are not a worse problem than you are, merely a different one. The NSA already has all my data, no reason the MSS shouldn't get a piece of that data too.

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Post by thewebguyd »

tyre wrote: post #154
Alien1Being wrote: post #120

Don't start to rely on it . The US might remove access next month in a fit of pique. The Chinese models look increasingly more reliable and safer.

This is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice. Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.

> I know which one I'd rather send tokens to

That's the neat part with the Chinese open weight models. You don't have to send your tokens to the PRC, the models can be hosted stateside or anywhere else you'd like.

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Post by ElProlactin »

well_ackshually wrote: post #358
ElProlactin wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Taiwan, perhaps, but they're playing a long-term tactical game rather than a "invade the country we don't like this week" game. So one of the world's biggest and most rapid military build-ups in history that is largely intended to give China the ability to seize a democratic country by force by 2027 over any US/Western efforts to protect it is OK because...it's "a long-term tactical game"? Note that China is not ju…

> The US, under Trump, is a foreign policy disaster. The US, under every single president has been an imperialistic threat to half the world. From imposing embargoes, to overthrowing governments and supporting dictators and genocides all over the world. Half the world hates you, and the other half has begrudgingly no choice but to half assedly support the greatest threat that the world has ever known, a military in a…

I always find it strange to encounter people whose disposition to one violent imperial power is to welcome...more violent imperial powers. Strange form of sadomasochism.
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