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Does it apply to USA citizens and organizations as well?
Yes
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#442I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access
Export control is not illegal where are you coming up with this stuff? Claiming ignorance is a good way to pay tens of millions of $ in fines or do prison time. Here's one from TWO DAYS AGO: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/manager-us-freight-forw... She will be doing 18 months in federal lockup. The people in charge of enforcing US export law are worse than city building inspectors and the penalties are orders o…
> As described in court filings, from at least December 2022 through December 2024, Mazulina conspired with Russian freight forwarding companies and others to unlawfully ship controlled items, including industrial oil and gas equipment, from the United States to Russia, through intermediary countries. At one point, in June 2023, Mazulina told colleagues that her clients were paying through bank accounts in third party countries because “[m]ost of [her] clients [were] currently sanctioned with USA.” Mazulina attempted to conceal the unlawful scheme by submitting and causing the submission of false export documents to the U.S. government, which omitted the information that the goods were destined for Russia.
That feels materially different than a software program released in the open domestic market.
And while it feels different, the government would apparently disagree: https://exportcontrol.lbl.gov/training/export-control-overvi...
Distribution of software to a foreign national within the US is an explicit proviso of the law. That is a wild law and I am surprised it stands.
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, you're just looking forward to being the only violent imperial power and to rule unopposed. the existence of another violent imperial power keeps you on a leash. It's not the best case scenario, but an unfettered and unrestricted united states spells doom for the world. China also happens to be the one that's electrifying the world, producing and improving batteries, solar panels, has a long term plan while the U…
> No, you're just looking forward to being the only violent imperial power and to rule unopposed. You'd probably be a much more content person if you stopped going around the internet assuming things about random strangers on the basis of their nationalities.
Elsewhere in this thread you insinuated that someone is a Chinese propagandist for pointing out that the US is actually aggressive in ways China is not.
If you're going to assume other people have ulterior agendas without evidence, you can't be surprised when people make assumptions about you in turn.
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#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with and so they pulled the model for everyone. I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. A lawsuit would be a hard sell though, because Anthropic themselves argued that the technology is dangerous. Even if many people on HN might think that Anthropic…
> Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with It is technically impossible. Many of the researchers working on the models aren't US citizens. That's not just within Anthropic. It'd make things 100% worse.
Lockheed Martin is able to restrict access of their product details to only us citizens.
It's not impossible, it's just hard.
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#445Earlier quoted context omitted.
Export control is not illegal where are you coming up with this stuff? Claiming ignorance is a good way to pay tens of millions of $ in fines or do prison time. Here's one from TWO DAYS AGO: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/manager-us-freight-forw... She will be doing 18 months in federal lockup. The people in charge of enforcing US export law are worse than city building inspectors and the penalties are orders o…
> As described in court filings, from at least December 2022 through December 2024, Mazulina conspired with Russian freight forwarding companies and others to unlawfully ship controlled items, including industrial oil and gas equipment, from the United States to Russia, through intermediary countries. At one point, in June 2023, Mazulina told colleagues that her clients were paying through bank accounts in third part…
Anthropic doesn't have the right to release weapons technologies on the open Internet, that's the point.
Lockheed doesn't whine that they aren't allowed to sell their products for a $20/mo subscription to everyone with a pulse.
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#446So what happens to their $1T valuations now, given they can't sell the product to consumers, and open-weight models are closing in on competition?
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#447What’ll happen when Google Deep Mind go to release their next models, developed mostly in London? Are Google going to end up in a situation where the people working on their models cannot use the models after launch?
These are export restrictions, so if the model is in London (how do you determine that? The weights? The training itself?) there is no need to export it from the US. Then Google may have found gold. They can sell it to everyone that can't get the best OpenAI or Anthropic models.
Usually export controls are applied to stuff where some significant % is made in America so a few US based engineers could make the project export controllable.
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#448Earlier quoted context omitted.
Consider it from a European perspective: The US under this administration is more unreliable than China. If Trump decides tomorrow that he's unhappy about something he'll pull some random other thing to bully the other side. You can't do business with that. Rebuilding trust and foreign relationships is going to take a long time after Trump is gone.
As a European I still prefer US over China.
But why?
There are no Chinese military personnel and bases in Europe. The Chinese have not tried to take European land by force and China is also quite stable. It won't change it's mind every 4 years and negate international treaties that have been signed. I also don't recall China invading another country and/or kidnapping leaders of a foreign state in recent history. China also does not control the global reserve currency and can not unilaterally impose debilitating sanction on countries such as Cuba causing the death of thousands of innocent people because of some historical beef.
Yes, China does not have a good human rights record, they imprison a lot of political dissidence but then who are we comparing them too? The US has a 5x worse per capita prison population than China and a horrific human rights record.
What exactly bothers you so much about China that the US does not?
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#449What’ll happen when Google Deep Mind go to release their next models, developed mostly in London? Are Google going to end up in a situation where the people working on their models cannot use the models after launch?
> What’ll happen when Google Deep Mind go to release their next models, developed mostly in London?
I am a British citizen living in Berlin, and even when making apps purely for the German market I still have to go through US export restrictions: https://developer.apple.com/help/app-store-connect/manage-ap...
I'd assume that Deep Mind, being owned by a US company and having US offices, has to care about US law, despite the differences (me: small fry; them: actually having offices there), because the chain of enforcement is still "take it or leave it" at each stage (USG->Google->DeepMind vs USG->Apple->3rd party Apple devs).
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#450Is there a world where frontier labs move to somewhere else like London to escape the business hurdles of the US? There are trillions at stake, is it a plausible scenario?