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Until the chinese make a comparable open source model at some point
I’d say we’re about 5 years out from the Great Firewall of America, and requiring government ID associated with serial number to legally purchase components. America will do that before gun control.
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I always find it strange to encounter people whose disposition to one violent imperial power is to welcome...more violent imperial powers. Strange form of sadomasochism.
I don't think China is more violent than the US. The US has for like 90% of its history been at war in one form or another, typically killing people abroad. I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium.
You don't have to because that wasn't an argument I made. Both the US and China have done horrible things to innocent people and are both currently engaged in malicious behavior that is an affront to humanity.
> I think the US did this more in a century than China did in a millennium.
Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
> The Great Leap Forward led to between 15 and 55 million deaths in mainland China during the 1959–1961 Great Chinese Famine it caused, making it the largest or second-largest famine in human history.
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/persecution-of-uygh...
> https://victimsofcommunism.org/tibet-is-lost-but-not-forever...
The Tibetan government in exile believes as many as 1.2 million Tibetans died as a result of Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1949.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot
China was the Khmer Rouge's main backer. The Khmer Rouge's actions were responsible for a genocide in which 1.5-2 million people perished. Afterwards, China offered asylum to Pol Pot and his top aides.
People who are genuinely interested in justice, human rights and peace should be horrified by what both the US and China have done.
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Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with and so they pulled the model for everyone. I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. A lawsuit would be a hard sell though, because Anthropic themselves argued that the technology is dangerous. Even if many people on HN might think that Anthropic…
> Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with It is technically impossible. Many of the researchers working on the models aren't US citizens. That's not just within Anthropic. It'd make things 100% worse.
ok, who in the EU is working on our own frontier model? surely we have the drive and ability?
And even if they solved that (it will take them 40 years of bickering), it’s not something you can top-down create, unless you want the AI equivalent of the Yugo.
China has the drive and the ability. It’s communist in name only, and has truly turned into a hyper-capitalist super producer (less government spending as % of GDP than even the US).
It will beat out both the EU and US and sweep both the digital economy (the US’s golden goose) and industrial economy (the EU’s golden goose) over the next 20 years.
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The last bit might be the point - this has all got a bit out of hand, the US government might have decided now is the time to prick this bubble. Either because ordinary people hate it or (more likely) because Sam and Dario have got too powerful and they’re now starting to become a genuine rival castle to the US government in elite theory terms - of course at that point you get your wings clipped
I have very little confidence in the current US administration trying to protect the economy. If anything they'd just try to cash out.
Kushner and the rest of the gang have probably already got a heads up about this and cashed out their stakes, now it's time for Sam and Dario to go through some struggle sessions
Are Google going to end up in a situation where the people working on their models cannot use the models after launch?
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Probably due to the US government doing a constant stream of insane things that hurt Americans and their allies and China not doing that.
Yes this. China's leadership is pretty evil and clearly a danger to the world but not insane.
Is this how Americans are coping with their civilizatory down fall and vanishing hegemony?
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Not sure why people here are so upbeat about China. It is almost guaranteed it will also introduce export controls on the models.
I’ve been asking myself this question quite a bit lately. People seem to suddenly think China is a good alternative to the US hegemony status. I sincerely hope I’m just misreading things.
> “I have determined that appropriate safeguards are in place to permit certain trusted partners to access the Claude Mythos 5 Model,” Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick wrote to Anthropic’s chief compute officer Tom Brown Friday why is the commerce secretary making this decision
What’ll happen when Google Deep Mind go to release their next models, developed mostly in London? Are Google going to end up in a situation where the people working on their models cannot use the models after launch?