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Post by jrflowers »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #450
tptacek wrote: post #446

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What's the thing that relies on servers that got 4x more expensive for consumers? I think this is something you want to be true more than it's something that is true.

I didn't make that exact claim, and I also spoke of future tense "will be". Obviously, the budget prices just raised. You can see some anecdotes here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48545965 ...which I will throw in my anecdote to, that I will have to shut down some hobby servers I was hosting because I can't afford to host them at these prices. Not right away because the current price is grandfathered in, but…

tptacek is arguing that he, specifically, does not care about the Hetzner price increase. Anything outside of that (eg the cost spike in consumer computing https://www.trendforce.com/presscenter/news/20260310-12959.h...) isn’t relevant. There’s no point in making an argument about the material reality of things here because he’s objectively right that he, personally, does not care about it.

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Post by jermaustin1 »

merelydev wrote: post #187
surgical_fire wrote: post #178

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Good luck getting the hardware for that eh?

I volunteer my laptop, I suggest you and others do the same. We can hook them up in a VPN with E2ee. We just need 1 public IP. Lets Go!

I like this idea for something akin to p2p shared/sharded hosting.

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Post by carlosjobim »

vkou wrote: post #397
colechristensen wrote: post #356

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>Based on what? Based on the far lower bar to get a product out the door.

Which is only relevant if one of the following two things happens: 1. Consumption goes up. (It's not going up. 40 hours at your job buys you less shit today than it did 3 years ago.) 2. Mega-corps start losing marketshare and revenue to this avalanche of new one-to-two-person businesses. (They aren't. Their revenues are climbing, which implies that consolidation is what's happening, not diversification.) Your theory…

New markets are created all the time, as new products and services become viable. So one-to-two-person businesses don't necessarily compete with larger businesses for the same customers. And that's why both can have rising revenue.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by missedthecue »

chrisandchris wrote: post #305
gdhkgdhkvff wrote: post #288

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I’m very on the pro-ai side (check my comment history for proof), but this “ai will give us more free time” logic is seeming more and more patronizing (to be clear, I understand that you are being sarcastic haha). I was listening to a podcast a couple days ago and Brad Gerstner was on and mentioned that with how AI is boosting productivity that perhaps one member of a household would be able to start staying home fro…

Just as happened with the horse, with the car, with the steam machine, with the industrialization in general, ... oh wait, we still have to work 8-10 hours 5 days a week, times two, to make enough for a living. So when exactly is this productivity going to hit that doubles my income?

you can live an 1880's lifestyle working about 5 hours a week. Outdoor toilets, no plumbing, uninsulated housing. Essentially zero healthcare. No lighting after the sun goes down or before it comes up. Little variation in diet and enough calories and nutrition to make you a strapping 130 lbs five foot four.

You just don't want that.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

ksec wrote: post #430
ryandvm wrote: post #280

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>(world's first trillionaire anyone?) With some work on crypto many people could be a trillionaire on paper. Whether it translate to actual wealth and liquidity is another matter. We are talking about P/E of 300 / P/S of close to 100 for Tesla and SpaceX. >When exactly are the upsides going to hit? A lot of people take Moore's law, or technology improvement as granted. It will always come. It will always become cheap…

Sure would be nice if we got to see any of that, instead of it all going solely to resource guzzling data centres selling opaque models whilst simultaneously destroying the pricing for local hardware!

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Post by includenotfound »

conception wrote: post #449
includenotfound wrote: post #443

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Texas at least disagrees with you - https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG... Do you have statistics to back your assertions that disagree with this data?

I do in fact.

Germany: https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/Pol...

Total N = ~2.2M Germans = ~1.2M (~58%) Non-Germans = ~900k (~42%)

Population: Germans ~71M (~85%), foreign ~12M (~15%)

Per-capita, non-Germans show up ~2.8x more.

Approximate rates:

Germans: ~1,786 per 100k (baseline) All Non-Germans: ~7,365 per 100k (~4.1× German rate) Syria: ~12,900 per 100k (~7.2×) Afghanistan: ~12,300 per 100k (~6.9×) Romania: ~8,450 per 100k (~4.7×) Turkey: ~6,660 per 100k (~3.7×) Poland: ~6,640 per 100k (~3.7×) Ukraine: ~5,130 per 100k (~2.9×)

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Some other countries (Switzerland, Denmark) also publish per-nationality data and it doesn't look any better. The other comment shows data from Norway/Finland/Sweden which is more of the same.

The US is a different topic (but strong arguments with clear data can be made as well), so I'll refrain from engaging it here to avoid further derailing the thread.

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Post by ericd »

BeratnaGas wrote: post #459
ericd wrote: post #422

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Payrolls are up about 214k in March, 180k in April, and 140k in May. The BLS data is from broad monthly surveys, not people showing up in workforce centers.

Of the 172,000 (adjusted) new jobs in May, 70,000 are attributed to hospitality when 14,000/month is the norm. World Cup temporary jobs. Hourly average earnings rose 12 cents in May while the average price of gas rose $1.17/gallon since the start of the war. One could argue that some of the people participating in the surveys have a vested interest in the numbers looking good. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.…

Ok, still over 100k not including those temporary jobs. I’m not arguing that the overall picture is amazing, just that it doesn’t seem like the narrative that AI is causing massive net job loss is true yet.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

jplusequalt wrote: post #431
colesantiago wrote: post #408

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There will be new jobs.

What are these jobs? I mean for God's sake, people have been saying this shit for 3 years now, but nobody can fathom what those jobs may be.

Just trust us bro!!!! Just some more ai investment please! The jobs will totally come from like, the ai and stuff! We promise!! Just another billion dollars!

/s

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Post by franciscop »

eugenekolo wrote: post #42

It really is an absolute massive jump. Have no clue what's going on in the back to warrant a 3x increase... 25-50%, sure.. but 3x is wild.

They are luckily only applying this to:

> The price adjustment applies to new orders and cloud instance rescales starting from 15 June 2026; 8 AM CEST.

> For orders placed before 15 June 2026, but delivered after 15 June 2026, the previous prices will apply.

I am surely/definitely happy that the price doesn't increase for me. If it increased for everyone, I'd expect a much smaller jump. Also I'm not sure how much flexibility they have to increase the price for everyone without notice, given that they are in EU.

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