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Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by glenstein »

misiek08 wrote: post #56
mort96 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was doing the same here, trying to set up a Hertzner account. Getting away from US companies and buying European and all that. But after I had made the account (and wasting a lot of time on back and forth with their buggy sign-up flow), I got told that I needed to upload a picture of my passport to do anything. Fuck no. I too decided to stick with DO.

Nice work from DO marketing team! Prices are completely not comparable and Hetzner was fighting scammers and kiddies, because low prices worked like a magnet for those. Russian spies? WOW, the earth got really flat these days. Seeing what US is doing with citizens and private companies I would love some Russian spy to be interested in exactly mine, boring passport.

Time to dust off the Whataboutism Is Bad speech again: but don't glaze over yet, because I might say something new. Not only is it still as rhetorically fallacious as it has ever been to treat complaints about third parties like they are responsive to first order concerns, but also (wake up! here comes the new part!) the deeper problem with whataboutism is that it assumes people can't consistently object to both.

I don't expect this to persuade, to be clear. I don't believe that people engaging in whataboutism are unable to understand why it's wrong so much as they have a different approach to language that detaches it from accountability to any sort of conceptual coherence that people are normally searching for when testing integrity of arguments; commenting on it is more about revealing a difference in which background values inform the way you choose to communicate.

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Post by glub103011 »

theturtletalks wrote: post #40

I was signing up for Hetzner years ago and it asked me to upload my passport to use their service. At that same time, I was reading about this story about WireCard. It was like Stripe for Europe and worth billions. Turns out it was run by a Russian spy network and was all a sham. That video alleged Germany’s bureaucracy is filled with Russian agents and this can be traced back to the East/West Berlin days. To save a…

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Post by lenerdenator »

zettabomb wrote: post #108
MinimalAction wrote: post #103

I understand this is ultimately due to AI boom. A couple of naive questions: 1. What's the bottleneck in ramping up RAM production? Is it the availability of silicon itself? Or the factories are at capacity? 2. Is this supposed to ease up despite the AI boom? Definitely would ease up if busted.

The entire capacity of RAM production is basically booked out, for at least the next year. All fabs have sold their allocations already, and it takes years to build a new one. As a result, no it will likely not ease up if demand continues like this, again for at least a year.

Also worth noting:

They sold their allocations to people who don't have a clear path to profitability, and were paid with massive amounts of money that don't exist in reality.

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Post by sph »

elAhmo wrote: post #157
Aldipower wrote: post #147

And the worst for my setup, there is no more ECC RAM available in their offers. At least not unless you pay an insane amount of cash..

Is ECC RAM that much valuable in day to day for non-critical usages?

The risk of bit flips is a percentage. The more RAM you have, the greater the likelihood. I have experienced heisenbugs on my 64 GB desktop that I bet were because of random bit flips

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Post by merelydev »

surgical_fire wrote: post #163
originalvichy wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the real risk after the slow death of personal computing. Even internet resources like servers will be hoarded by the hyperscalers that are the only ones who can afford to order years of compute hardware in advance. I’ve already started buying cheap old business PCs just in case I’ll ever need to have simple barebones machines to run things on.

And I was told my whole life that capitalism solved everything through supply and demand magic. I wish I could say I am disappointed.

The beauty of supply and demand magic is that the market is now open for anyone that can provide server hosting cheaply.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by surgical_fire »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #164
surgical_fire wrote: post #163

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And I was told my whole life that capitalism solved everything through supply and demand magic. I wish I could say I am disappointed.

Idealistically, actual consumer driven capitalism would be much closer to supply/ & demand than this (imo) almost completely artificial, government sponsored bubble. I think pricing before this current bubble reflects that.

Because, oddly enough, there are a lot more things going on. Government incentives, companies trying to stranglehold markets, FOMO-fueled massive investiment into the current fad, etc. Just to name a few.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by surgical_fire »

merelydev wrote: post #176
surgical_fire wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I was told my whole life that capitalism solved everything through supply and demand magic. I wish I could say I am disappointed.

The beauty of supply and demand magic is that the market is now open for anyone that can provide server hosting cheaply.

Good luck getting the hardware for that eh?

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by rigonkulous »

benjiro29 wrote: post #115
drewg123 wrote: post #59

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The AI bubble has increased the prices of nand and ram by a factor of 4, so a 3x increase seems reasonable. Companies that are not big enough to have long term contracts with ram/nand vendors have been hit really, really hard by this.

These prices have absolute nothing to do anymore with memory prices. Do not forget that Hetzner already increased the setup fees by a factor of 4x before to compensate for the price. And also servers getting price increases. It seems they have shifted by reducing the setup fees, and increasing the monthly costs. As this generates more revenue. And its easy to prove this... AX42 ... Its 8700GE that has gone from 65 Eu…

Also, a price increase like this can be used to address over-subscription/under-utilization .. there will be a lot of dormant chaff blown off by this, or in other words the provisioning demand will also be adjusted by this aggressive price change, imho.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by Aldipower »

elAhmo wrote: post #157
Aldipower wrote: post #147

And the worst for my setup, there is no more ECC RAM available in their offers. At least not unless you pay an insane amount of cash..

Is ECC RAM that much valuable in day to day for non-critical usages?

Short: Yes, but of course it depends. Long: I am dealing with a huge amount of fitness related health data which gets aggregated into metrics. If those metrics are wrong, for whatever reason, this is not great.

If you just run some blogs, of course, this is not important.

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