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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Rohansi »

e28eta wrote: post #189
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #84

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> Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. It's the user's data. Not Apple's. And it should be the user's right to send it to whoever for whatever results, imo

I think there’s a case that Apple’s commitment to privacy here will increase participation by 3rd party developers. For example, if I’m maintaining a secure chat app, I think I’d be more likely to adopt the APIs to share the chat messages with the system AI due to Apple’s promises that the data will either be processed On Device, or in their Private Compute Cloud. If I instead believe that sharing the chat messages w…

> This user might be okay with their data going to this other provider, but what about the people they’re messaging? I have a responsibility and a commitment to _all_ of my users to protect their data.

That's nice of you but your users are going to just copy-paste data to and from ChatGPT anyway.

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Post by koolala »

nl wrote: post #249
arbirk wrote: post #186

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https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

Apple's PCC is the best option for this kind of offload that exists. However the PCC root keys are still signed by Apple which requires you to trust Apple and the laws in the jurisdiction Apple operates in . Edit: for this update they seems to be running Gemini on Nvidia GPUs in Google's cloud[0]. How key management works for this part is unknown, but the standard setup for this is that Nvidia and Google would have k…

Don't you think there is always going to be an escape hatch for peoples private data? Like if you ask it how to make an explosive the message won't stay private on Google's servers? Seems like there could be all kinds of things like that.

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dejawu wrote: post #7

It's strange to me that Apple would choose to disadvantage themselves by selecting Google as their provider as opposed to, say, Anthropic or even OpenAI. Doesn't this mean they'll struggle more to differentiate themselves from the assistant on Android phones? Thinking more cynically, couldn't Google, if they wanted, feed Apple an inferior version of Gemini, ensuring they stay ahead? As the consumer, this just sucks b…

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Post by LoganDark »

impulser_ wrote: post #267
janalsncm wrote: post #235

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If Apple is running the inference from Apple iPhones and Apple data centers then Apple has operational control. Google’s influence ends the moment they hand the weights over to Apple.

They are using Google Cloud. https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/?linkId=100000... "Now, we are collaborating with Google and NVIDIA to run new Apple Intelligence workloads on Google Cloud, extending our industry-leading PCC privacy commitments to third-party data centers for the first time."

I hope they are still using PCC hardware rather than running private data through third-party servers.

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Post by NorwegianDude »

arbirk wrote: post #186
NorwegianDude wrote: post #115

> The company reiterated that Apple Intelligence relies on on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, with a promise that user data is only used to execute the immediate request and is not accessible to Apple or third parties. Apple added that outside experts can verify those privacy guarantees "at any time." Yes, the "Apple needs to look at your data to do this, but we don't have any way to look at the data if…

https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

Exactly. That page objectively proves that Apple can't be trusted and breaks their promises.

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Post by TylerE »

koolala wrote: post #316
TylerE wrote: post #307

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Since when? I've used Carplay for years and I've NEVER had Siri enabled. I despise voice control.

Never enabled it or never disabled it? Do you remember disabling it?

Never enabled it. I always explicitly skip the "Setup/Enable siri" step on every update.

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Post by benoau »

Rohansi wrote: post #155
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #84

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> Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. It's the user's data. Not Apple's. And it should be the user's right to send it to whoever for whatever results, imo

And that's exactly how it works for apps you download from the App Store. Apple even makes app publishers declare data collection and privacy practices on the App Store before you install apps. It's clearly just Apple not wanting to further open up their platform to competition.

Not only that but it's an honour system they aren't checking any of the privacy policies or labels for accuracy, just last year a whole bunch of high-profile apps like Candy Crush Saga and Clash of Clans got caught claiming suitability for all ages while their privacy policies banned under 13s so they could advertise and collect data indiscriminately.

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Post by benoau »

koolala wrote: post #122
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #84

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> Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. It's the user's data. Not Apple's. And it should be the user's right to send it to whoever for whatever results, imo

Meta would probably start a massive ad campain to pay people money to install Meta iPhone AI.

Meta already did that, right under Apple's nose for three years!

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/

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Post by NorwegianDude »

dd8601fn wrote: post #146
oulipo2 wrote: post #105

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That's not the point of OP. The point of OP is that Google is a direct competitor of Apple for phones / OS, so them giving the "key of the house" to Google is risky

What indicates they’ve given google anything other than a truckload of cash? There’s zero data sharing in the arrangement and the stuff is running on apple devices and in Apples Private Compute. Not even Apple has access to it, by design.

No reasonable person relies on Apple's statements as facts. That said by Apple's laywers, and is especially true here. Apple can access the data if they want, and so can Google and Nvidia.
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