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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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microtonal wrote: post #45
ainch wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say it's because the EU's DMA would require them to open up device data to third-party assistants, and they'd no longer be able to guarantee user privacy. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

I don't see what the issue is. The user could then select Apple (or Mistral) for strong privacy or another provider for customers that don't care. I primarily want Apple to provide extension points so that I can select my own provider, just as I can choose where to host my mail or install another app as my instant messenger. Sure, I could install another provider's app, but it wouldn't have the same integrations, sim…

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by lern_too_spel »

wmf wrote: post #81
t0mas88 wrote: post #41

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That still doesn't explain why my data can only be sent to Apple and not to another vendor of my choice.

Because Apple has Private Cloud Compute tech that other vendors do not have.

If they let me use my own server, they won't even know my usage patterns, which is even better for privacy.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by doikor »

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160
aorloff wrote: post #140

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Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

Put in the destination before start driving?

CarPlay does not work at all if you have not enabled Siri. As in it won’t even connect.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by wuliwong »

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160
aorloff wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

I almost never use Siri in my car and use a "nav system" every time I am driving.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by az_reth »

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160
aorloff wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

I set it before I start moving, and then don't touch it while in motion.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by arbirk »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #115

> The company reiterated that Apple Intelligence relies on on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, with a promise that user data is only used to execute the immediate request and is not accessible to Apple or third parties. Apple added that outside experts can verify those privacy guarantees "at any time." Yes, the "Apple needs to look at your data to do this, but we don't have any way to look at the data if…

https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by speedgoose »

ainch wrote: post #6
microflash wrote: post #3

Not launching in EU feels like a smell. It does look interesting enough for me to try it out before disabling Apple Intelligence again.

They say it's because the EU's DMA would require them to open up device data to third-party assistants, and they'd no longer be able to guarantee user privacy. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

Sure.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by layer8 »

quentindanjou wrote: post #176
progbits wrote: post #158

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> EU regulators’ extreme interpretation of the DMA It's not extreme interpretation, it's the intent. Just say it would break your vendor lock-in.

I don't want my apps that have AI implemented to be able to read my messages because Europe mandates feature parity. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. For Apple it means building all the APIs that probably already exist but this time to be requested by apps, which would be a huge attack surface, even Apple's own apps suffers from security breaches (like Message before the switch to closed container execution).…

It’s not clear how it is significantly different from allowing apps access to your contacts, calendar, photos, and so on. And Apple doesn’t say that they merely need more time to properly implement it, the claim that they are unable to implement it without compromising privacy and security. And the latter I don’t really see, with the proper set of permissions presented in the way users are already used to.

As an Apple user I feel more patronized than empowered here.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by e28eta »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #84
peterspath wrote: post #5

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It’s the DMA regulation that forces Apple to give the same access as they have to other AI chat apps. Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. > Siri AI is private by design and deeply integrated across Apple’s platforms using on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, which extends the privacy and security of iPhone into the cloud. However, unde…

> Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. It's the user's data. Not Apple's. And it should be the user's right to send it to whoever for whatever results, imo

I think there’s a case that Apple’s commitment to privacy here will increase participation by 3rd party developers.

For example, if I’m maintaining a secure chat app, I think I’d be more likely to adopt the APIs to share the chat messages with the system AI due to Apple’s promises that the data will either be processed On Device, or in their Private Compute Cloud.

If I instead believe that sharing the chat messages with the system AI would cause those messages to be sent to unknown-to-me other entities, I think I’d be less likely to participate in the new API.

This user might be okay with their data going to this other provider, but what about the people they’re messaging? I have a responsibility and a commitment to _all_ of my users to protect their data.

I might not be able to control what any specific user does with the data, but proactively writing the code that sends the chat messages to this other system is something that I have control over.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by darkwater »

quentindanjou wrote: post #176
progbits wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> EU regulators’ extreme interpretation of the DMA It's not extreme interpretation, it's the intent. Just say it would break your vendor lock-in.

I don't want my apps that have AI implemented to be able to read my messages because Europe mandates feature parity. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. For Apple it means building all the APIs that probably already exist but this time to be requested by apps, which would be a huge attack surface, even Apple's own apps suffers from security breaches (like Message before the switch to closed container execution).…

> I don't want my apps that have AI implemented to be able to read my messages because Europe mandates feature parity.

The AI provider would still be YOUR choice. You could stick with Apple's if you don't trust the other ones.

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