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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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It is weird and disturbing that Apple has no native AI capability.

This is one of the most cash rich companies in the world and it has failed to have any position in the most critical technology development perhaps ever.

It's a clear signal that Apple became the most incredible operational/execution company under Tim Cook, but lost its innovation leadership.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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post #103

Not launching in EU feels like a smell. It does look interesting enough for me to try it out before disabling Apple Intelligence again.

It is a smell. But it's the EU that smells bad, when it comes to tech regulation. It's the smell of cookie popup warnings.

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so to translate: - Apple has powerful capabilities in iOS to enable Siri AI. - EU's DMA requires them to allow users to install third-party AI backends. - Apple doesn't think parties other than themselves should be trusted with those iOS permissions. I guess it'd be like if Apple allowed a first-party screen reader for iOS, so they refused to allow third-party screen readers.

As a screen reader user, Apple does have a first party screen reader, VoiceOver, and does indeed not let you run a third party one. In fact, it does not work well even on the more open MacOS. So essentially it's VoiceOver or nothing. Luckily, especially on iOS, VoiceOver mostly works well.

I'm glad it works decently on iOS, at least. my mom has little central vision, and she struggles on iOS just using high contrast plus scaling plus magnifier. I think she has just enough vision to not absolutely need VoiceOver but it still makes using her phone a frustrating and tiring experience.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the DMA regulation that forces Apple to give the same access as they have to other AI chat apps. Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. > Siri AI is private by design and deeply integrated across Apple’s platforms using on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, which extends the privacy and security of iPhone into the cloud. However, unde…

> Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. It's the user's data. Not Apple's. And it should be the user's right to send it to whoever for whatever results, imo

And that's exactly how it works for apps you download from the App Store. Apple even makes app publishers declare data collection and privacy practices on the App Store before you install apps.

It's clearly just Apple not wanting to further open up their platform to competition.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

#156

It is weird and disturbing that Apple has no native AI capability. This is one of the most cash rich companies in the world and it has failed to have any position in the most critical technology development perhaps ever. It's a clear signal that Apple became the most incredible operational/execution company under Tim Cook, but lost its innovation leadership.

Really I don’t think this is a strong take at all. If anything this has positioned them extremely, extremely well for when the bubble bursts and they can go with the winner to provide reasonable capabilities.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they competing with Google?

What do you consider Android to be, if not a competitor of iOS?

Most Android devices aren't even Google products, and for much of Android's existence, none of them were. Android is a way to get ads in front of people... as is their partnerships with Apple.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

#158

Not launching in EU feels like a smell. It does look interesting enough for me to try it out before disabling Apple Intelligence again.

It’s the DMA regulation that forces Apple to give the same access as they have to other AI chat apps. Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. > Siri AI is private by design and deeply integrated across Apple’s platforms using on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, which extends the privacy and security of iPhone into the cloud. However, unde…

> EU regulators’ extreme interpretation of the DMA

It's not extreme interpretation, it's the intent.

Just say it would break your vendor lock-in.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Very Apple-ish approach to AI catch up: wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture, embed into the OS and productize the orchestration layer. It will be interesting to see if the Private Cloud Compute + on-device routing can make third-party model capabilities feel like a first-party system without leaking user context to the model provider. If Apple handles the Google-Apple boundary right, this will be an elega…

Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

“Sorry, I don’t know where you are”

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

#160
post #21

Very Apple-ish approach to AI catch up: wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture, embed into the OS and productize the orchestration layer. It will be interesting to see if the Private Cloud Compute + on-device routing can make third-party model capabilities feel like a first-party system without leaking user context to the model provider. If Apple handles the Google-Apple boundary right, this will be an elega…

Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?
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