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Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by zimzam »

csomar wrote: post #622
madrox wrote: post #525

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I was in a park today, and I watched a man play a saxaphone. Other people had stopped to listen to him play. It occurred to me that we appreciate this kind of public performance, but we get annoyed if someone plays their boombox too loud in public. I tend to agree with you about participation, but I feel like there is a note unsung here.

The way I see it. The saxophone player is annoying other people but he is showing his skills to the public. I can tolerate that and let it slip. On the other hand, the boombox jerk is playing music that anyone can privately play. The park is a public space and you should use headphones for that.

When I first moved to NYC I was enchanted and delighted by the various people singing or playing music on the subway but over time it became an annoyance - if I want to listen to music I’ll play it myself.

Please don’t force me to attend your concert by performing in the subway car. I don’t want to be your captive audience. Even more so for people who don’t use headphones.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by thelucent »

npodbielski wrote: post #617
thelucent wrote: post #544

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My point was narrower. When I write the lyrics, choose the melody, and use AI to help turn it into a polished arrangement, the result has personal meaning to me. It reflects my memories, taste, and emotional state. That does not make it superior to other music. It just makes it personal. I can resonates with songs made by other people if it align with my current emotional state. I just don't spent time actively explo…

Yes, I understand what you are writing about. But to be true, I am not sure if this is right thing to do. After all it seems like you are closing yourself in a bubble of your own experiences and emotions. Will you be able to talk to other people and relate to their own emotions and experiences if you will be only ever thinking about your own? What I really like when I was young, was to talk to my friends about what w…

Totally understandable. There’s a way to resonate with other outside of music right. Yours was Diablo. I can’t resonate with that. But if you play Wuthering Waves we’d be a great resonators (pun intended).

Maybe the word that I use “exclusively” is too strong. It means I default to listen to my own songs. Maybe 90% of my playlist songs is my own songs. The first song that I listen in the morning is my song. But I also listen to the remaining 10% albeit not often. And that 10% helps me understand other people too ^^

I do share my music with friends, the reason why I can publish my song is because I chose the words carefully, so it might sounds pretty and romantic to others, but to me it might have different meanings.

Is it the right thing? I have no idea mate, I am, still trying to understand - too.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by latexr »

galkk wrote: post #591
latexr wrote: post #577

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> For “even worse” - I meant different Thank you for clarifying. > One can say something like “this is not your best job. It is solid product of a carpenter. Even worse, I know you could do much better, like a woodworker”. And nothing here says that the job is _bad_. Except no, that doesn't make sense. It is not clear at all to say “This is not your best job. It is a solid job. Even worse…”. That is very confusing co…

I am sorry for confusion. I’m typing on the phone and accidentally preessed reply before writing full answer. I started updating my comment above as soon as I saw that I posted reply (the one that your answer addresses). Hope that clarifies my position and gives you an explanation where I disagree with your comment.

I don’t think we’re making ourselves sufficiently understood to each other, and if you keep lobbing accusations at me without understanding what I’m saying, we’re not going to have a productive discussion. I’ll address just a couple of quick points.

> Look at like any professional reviewing let’s say old movies. Thousands of errors

Mistakes are not the same thing as slop. It’s not at all related. Here’s the definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_slop

> This is strawman and arguing in bad faith by subtly associating my position with liking gore etc.

I like gore. I find Cronenberg and old Japanese movies and anime aesthetically pleasing. I have done work based on gore. Not only am I not making a straw man or arguing in bad faith, I’m not insulting or discrediting you in the slightest. Please stop making assumptions and responding to those assumptions in your head. I didn’t use gore as an example to discredit you, I used it because it’s an example of a niche art that I understand and respect. It‘s the exact opposite of what you took from it.

> Why Metallica does new albums?

Metallica is not making new albums with AI, are they? That has nothing to do with your original point of an artist coming back to make a new album after decades using AI. How can you, in good faith, accuse someone else of shifting the goalposts while engaging in such a textbook example yourself?

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by filoeleven »

NietTim wrote: post #527
Barbing wrote: post #375

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That might be OK if Suno had compensated everybody they needed to. I feel sympathy for people who made something that was reappropriated by those without strong ethics.

Meanwhile you probably use Spotify or other streaming platforms without issue.

Artists have to agree to be featured on Spotify, and agree to the royalty fees they receive. AI just pillaged recorded human history with zero compensation. Big difference.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by bilekas »

anshorei wrote: post #602
bilekas wrote: post #502

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> I can easily create a 1 hour track in Ableton and have some minor variations every say 48 measures. It's basically just copy paste with some parameter variation which can be scripted. What's the difference with AI doing it instead of your script ?

Is human-scripted art (e.g. https://nannou.cc/ ) art? Is music programmed to play on an orchestrion art? Is the music produced using a modular synth setup art? If your answer to any of these questions is "yes", and your answer to "can AI create art" is no, then there is a difference between AI doing it and a script. That said the discussion around "human" art and "AI" art often lacks nuance, and I believe there's lot…

Yeah, you make some good points, and it's an interesting question. There's far more nuance I guess that I considered, I guess what's a bit disheartening about the amount of generated music in this case is that it does make it harder for those who create and put really a lot of effort into their work to find some traction. Then again they said Spotify would ruin the music industry also, and to some degree it has only benefited a minority of artists.

I guess either way we will see. Art is only appreciated by those who appreciate it so who am I to judge.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

filoeleven wrote: post #630
injidup wrote: post #474

Last weekend a group of friends and I sat by the lake. One had a guitar, and we were all singing off-key to old classics and dancing to salsa and reggaeton. We were doing it together, and it was great. Much more fun than listening alone or caring about the authenticity of the music or not. It was the participation, not the product, that was the key. Something went wrong with music and culture in recent times. Partici…

https://fuckoffaimusic.com/ Q: What about the people doing interesting things with AI in their music? Some people are doing interesting things so isn’t it worth giving those ones a chance? A: sorry maybe they are but unfortunately i’m part of the fuck off ai music movement so count me out? Q: But AI is just another way for people to express themselves A: sorry that may or may not be the case but either way i’m part o…

I use AI as an amateur producer simply to get ideas

I would NEVER EVER consider using AI in something I actually release to listeners

I don't care if its good or bad. If I'm making someone listen something, it should've been touched by my hand - even if that means turning a knob in a DAW

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by zulban »

ArcaneMoose wrote: post #189

I'm curious where the line is.. several ambiguous but common scenarios: - Occasional AI b-roll during explainer videos - AI generated backing track (music) - AI generated shots sprinkled in a short film - Showing examples of AI video as an AI capability update or commentary

It's about information, not one all encompassing yes or no. All of those are good pieces of information to include in a disclosure.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by kode-targz »

galkk wrote: post #545
viccis wrote: post #530

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>What is the problem if somebody doesn’t seek the deep meaning or anything and enjoys whatever she enjoys If you need it to be explained to you why it's a tragedy that a person's curiosity can atrophy (or fail to develop) to the extent that she can't seek meaning in what she engages with every day for enjoyment, then you might not have met the minimum requirements for this conversation.

Nah, you’re not the person who decides that. Denied.

But they're right.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by filoeleven »

brigandish wrote: post #436
shevy-java wrote: post #388

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That's actually a bit creepy to me. How do you deal with a lack of novelty factor here though? Because ultimately, if you yourself generate all music you listen to, how could anything be surprising? I often listen to songs that surprise me in one way or another.

If you write your own songs, you'll realise that they are infinitely surprising to you, much like one's own children. Just endlessly fascinating. I sing my own songs all the time, probably more than other people's. Of course, that doesn't mean I don't want to listen to new music by other people, or create more of my own. I'm simply sharing what it is to experience songs written by yourself. I saw Sting the other day…

Childish Gambino (Donald Glover) said something similar when asked if he listens to his own music. Paraphrased: There's this weird stigma about listening to your own music like it's egotistical. When you make yourself a sandwich, do you feel egotistical when you enjoy eating it?
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