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Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by thelucent »

shevy-java wrote: post #388
thelucent wrote: post #337

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I did the same too. I listen exclusively to my own songs made with the help of AI. My styles are orchestra and symphony pop, which I find rare these days. Even if it exists, the lyrics might not be something that I enjoy. So I just write my own lyrics, decides on the melodies, and put it to AI to create a polished version. Do I feel emotional when I listen to it? Of course, its my own lyrics that I wrote. Of course I…

That's actually a bit creepy to me. How do you deal with a lack of novelty factor here though? Because ultimately, if you yourself generate all music you listen to, how could anything be surprising? I often listen to songs that surprise me in one way or another.

When I said exclusively, its not that I am not exposed to other songs as well. I do follow certain artists that I really enjoy listening to because I find their lyrics and melodies resonates with me, even when its not in the genre that I preferred.

It's just I don't go and explore songs actively. If my playlist suddenly randomize itself (which YouTube Music usually do even when I already selected a specific playlist), I usually just keep it randomizing the songs, I either skip the songs based on the intro or just the title.

Sometimes, I only write the lyrics without any melodies, or just give a base chords for the AI to work with without any melodies, and AI might surprise me on how it suddenly chose a certain melodies or chord progression.

So you can say I'm exploring, but only within the boundaries of the lyrics that I wrote. Or when YouTube Music randomly plays a song for me and I immediately resonates with it.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by sph »

slyall wrote: post #328
giancarlostoro wrote: post #283

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"Slob" / "slop" is thrown around so much I don't take anyone seriously who drops that word unless the output matches the commentary. There's definitely a lot of trash AI stuff out there don't get me wrong, but there's also insanely high quality AI generated things out there. Hell, I've sent people songs made in Suno, and they were surprised to learn that those were AI generated. If you open suno and type in "90s jazz…

I've also seen people using the term "slop" for low quality human-generated content (lowbrow movies etc)

It's a cultural affectation like attaching -maxxing to any adjective.

I smile when I come across the term 'qualityslop', which is an oxymoronic term to indicate very good human content.

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Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by galkk »

sph wrote: post #539
galkk wrote: post #443

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What is the problem if somebody doesn’t seek the deep meaning or anything and enjoys whatever she enjoys? Plenty of artists plain suck and discovery is a problem that requires time and effort. If somebody makes decision to like what they like (and made, to some extent) that’s their choice.

> What is the problem if somebody doesn’t seek the deep meaning or anything and enjoys whatever she enjoys? Some people yearn for the slop.

Me an intellectual is not like the other girls.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by thelucent »

npodbielski wrote: post #484
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #420

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Maybe this is were we will end up, society combined of individualistic, self-centered, non-empathetic, sociopaths. But can it be still called society?

My point was narrower. When I write the lyrics, choose the melody, and use AI to help turn it into a polished arrangement, the result has personal meaning to me. It reflects my memories, taste, and emotional state. That does not make it superior to other music. It just makes it personal. I can resonates with songs made by other people if it align with my current emotional state.

I just don't spent time actively exploring new songs to listen to. I spent more time writing my own expression than exploring other expressions.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by galkk »

viccis wrote: post #530
galkk wrote: post #443

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What is the problem if somebody doesn’t seek the deep meaning or anything and enjoys whatever she enjoys? Plenty of artists plain suck and discovery is a problem that requires time and effort. If somebody makes decision to like what they like (and made, to some extent) that’s their choice.

>What is the problem if somebody doesn’t seek the deep meaning or anything and enjoys whatever she enjoys If you need it to be explained to you why it's a tragedy that a person's curiosity can atrophy (or fail to develop) to the extent that she can't seek meaning in what she engages with every day for enjoyment, then you might not have met the minimum requirements for this conversation.

Nah, you’re not the person who decides that. Denied.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by Kaijo »

injidup wrote: post #474

Last weekend a group of friends and I sat by the lake. One had a guitar, and we were all singing off-key to old classics and dancing to salsa and reggaeton. We were doing it together, and it was great. Much more fun than listening alone or caring about the authenticity of the music or not. It was the participation, not the product, that was the key. Something went wrong with music and culture in recent times. Partici…

Authenticity (as Gidon Kremer once said), above all, is what is genuinely felt, and the inner world of a dedicated listener who has built up a relationship with their music over a lifetime is full of genuine feeling. It _is_ participation, not mere consumption. Even if the act of listening is a private one. Art forms need properly attentive audiences.

I say this as a decent pianist who collaborates, performs, teaches, records. And who messes around with AI with great fascination. Music is so broad and diverse in the experiences it can provide and the social functions it stands in relation to. Separate channels and bubbles can be good, the signs of a tree of life diversifying. Your lakeside vignette doesn’t say anything about something wrong in music and culture, it’s just a normal thing that happens whenever people chill out by a lake throughout human history. Off-key singing and dancing to salsa and reggaeton? I wouldn’t be nervous about joining in, I’d be heading to the opposite side of the lake. And that’s good too – how personal music can be, that that’s your thing, not my thing.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by vintermann »

chii wrote: post #471
sixothree wrote: post #434

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This biggest offender creeping into my feeds currently seems to be long form history videos. I'll be 10 minutes into a 90 minute WWII video and notice a completely incorrect pronunciation of something and realize what is happening. They're certainly getting better at fooling us. Especially when they speak slowly with a calm voice.

if the content is sufficiently good, why does it matter that it is ai or not?

I'm starting to suspect a lot of the people saying things like this have a plan to get rich from AI content farming.

It's really not hard to understand what the problem is with AI generated history vids.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by thelucent »

brigandish wrote: post #436
shevy-java wrote: post #388

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That's actually a bit creepy to me. How do you deal with a lack of novelty factor here though? Because ultimately, if you yourself generate all music you listen to, how could anything be surprising? I often listen to songs that surprise me in one way or another.

If you write your own songs, you'll realise that they are infinitely surprising to you, much like one's own children. Just endlessly fascinating. I sing my own songs all the time, probably more than other people's. Of course, that doesn't mean I don't want to listen to new music by other people, or create more of my own. I'm simply sharing what it is to experience songs written by yourself. I saw Sting the other day…

That's the feelings right? What's wrong with enjoying your creation right?

The song that I wrote has more values because it carries memories, emotions, and my internal state. I'm not saying other songs doesn't have values. It's just harder to resonate with, unless the melodies or lyrics align with my emotional state.

I listen to my own songs because I am songwriter, and still am even when I stopped doing it professionally. I am not doing it for the sake of "I just want to listen to my own songs and I will never listen to others". I listen just because "This song is meaningful for me"

And the "this song" in that quote above, can be mine, or other's.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by elliotec »

zulban wrote: post #413
csallen wrote: post #200

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You're wrong from your very premise. The world isn't going to shit. It's better than it's been at pretty much any time in human history, in almost every facet.

Indeed. See also Pinker's book Better Angels.

On average Steven Pinker is at best a fake hyperoptimist-by-aggregate who puts billionaires on pedestals and rewrites history to entrench shitty systems. Sometimes he says smart stuff but he ignores or actively disregards massive problems with a painfully self-serving neutrality.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by galkk »

1718627440 wrote: post #520
latexr wrote: post #509

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I’m not going to devalue your opinions—music is mostly a matter of taste—but you and your parent comment are stretching the term “slop”, like when a software user misuses “bug” to mean “something which doesn’t work like I want, despite it working exactly as designed for fifteen years”. “Slop” is specifically about AI content lacking in effort, quality, meaning. You may not like Zimmer, but saying it lacks in those ar…

> Formulaic Also formulaic art isn't necessarily bad, because human appreciation does follow some patterns.

Agree. I didn’t say bad. I said that the adjectives that people use to describe ai slop are as applicable to human creations as to ai.

There could be lazy, uninspired but technically competent as ai art (my pet peeve is many “instrumental guitar albums” that are just pentatonic scale and standard licks in all shapes and forms) and ai art can be good.

I will say even more. I’m sure that soon we will get new albums from old stars (like let’s say) that will be great. Critics will be in ave “triumphant return to old form” and everybody will avoid looking in the eyes and say the truth about how they were able to write new good songs, given that they weren’t able to do it in like decades.

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