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AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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>Iran has been waging war since the Islamic Revolution On who?

At various times, and potentially via proxies: Iraq Saudi Arabia Israel Kurdish Rebels The US “All countries” via actions against shipping in the Red Sea and the Strait of Hormuz

Iran proxies were extremely active in Syria, as they were close allies of the Assad regime. They are responsible for countless exactions.

In 1992 there was a deadly car bomb attack in Argentina, killing 29 people and injuring 250 more. Then again in 1994 a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was bombed, killing 87 people. Eventually the investigation demonstrated conclusively that Iran was responsible.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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"Three clicks convert a data point on the map into a formal detection and move it into a targeting pipeline. These targets then move through columns representing different decision-making processes and rules of engagement. The system recommends how to strike each target – which aircraft, drone or missile to use, which weapon to pair with it – what the military calls a “course of action”. The officer selects from the…

I couldn't find a web site for the school when I searched for one and I also noticed that while schools are generally marked on Google Maps in Iran this school was not. Both are IMO not really relevant or reliable sources of targeting data anyways. I found very little evidence searching online for the school but I did find something that looked like a blog about a school trip. Again though the Internet is not a relia…

Excuses.

The fact is that the US routinely commits acts of perfidy. This was the second time they attacked Iran during negotiations.

I've said before that I'm no fan of the Iranian mullah regime, but the US is basically run by war criminals.

And they're proud of it. Albright and her "murdering 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it," Hillary and her "we came we saw he died," and Nobel Peace Prize Barack Hussein Obama with his targeting US citizens via drone + 28000 bombing attacks, to this orange monster demolishing the White House (literally and figuratively) and any pretence at being trustworthy or civilised.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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If it was 1570, it would absolutely be valid to remove settlers from the Americas. If fact the Pueblo Revolt is considered to be one of the more successful and justified acts of indigenous resistance.

Ok, it sounds the principle here is if any land was stolen in the 20th century the people who live there now aren’t citizens (regardless if they are children or not) and deserve to be bombed? I hope nobody tells the balkans.

Parents are solely responsible for bringing their children on stolen land. There were indigenous children living there that were murdered.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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I haven't said anything about trusting them. I am simply correcting statements about what the US has supposedly "admitted". It's one thing to say "I think the US did XYZ". It's quite another to say "It is an objective truth that the US did XYZ, in fact they even admitted it". Transposed to the Guardian, if they want to write "we think the US did XYZ", they should clearly frame it as an opinion piece. Instead they are…

It would be journalistic malpractice to avoid reporting on anything that the government does that the government isn't willing to admit publically to doing. It's possible to ascertain facts, even of the actions of the US government, to a level of certainty sufficient to report them as facts, even when the government disputes the facts.

Repeating the IRGC claim that "American forces killed between 175 and 180 people, most of them girls between the ages of seven and 12" without attribution or scrutiny, is not "reporting".

It's fine to be skeptical of the claims of the US government. But the IRGC is also a government - more specifically a totalitarian government built on lies and aggression. To distrust the former while blindly trusting the latter is inconsistent and foolish.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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There are no cartoon villains in general, that's the point GP is making by using the word "cartoon". Let's use some common sense, it's not like Trump and Hegseth got together and sneaked in the school on the list of targets just because they liked the idea of children being killed. It's naive to suggest this is a possibility worth considering.

Yeah, going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there boss. The man Hegseth in all his 'no quarter' bravado is only affirming his own mother's claim that he is a piece of shit. respectfully of course, I would not put it past him to kill some kids for a political or terrorism reason (the parents).

Also, it's been a while but remember Trump literally said he wanted to "take out the families" of terrorists (https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrori...).

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Had Iran done anything to the US as heinous as this one "mistake" in the last 50 years that compares? Imagine if some country did this to us and just brushed it off as a mistake.

Where do I start...

In 1979–1981, Iranian revolutionary forces and aligned militants seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and held 52 Americans hostage during the Iran hostage crisis.

In 1983, IRGC-backed proxies carried out the Beirut barracks bombing, a suicide truck attack that killed 241 U.S. service members in Beirut.

In 1983–84, IRGC-backed proxies bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing dozens of Americans and local staff.

In 1984, IRGC-backed proxies kidnapped CIA station chief William Francis Buckley in Beirut, held and tortured him, and he died in captivity in 1985.

In 1984, militants linked to IRGC-backed Hezbollah hijacked Kuwait Airways Flight 221, holding multiple passengers including Americans hostage.

In 1985, Hezbollah operatives hijacked TWA Flight 847, during which U.S. Navy diver Robert Stethem was murdered.

In 1996, a truck bomb destroyed the Khobar Towers, killing 19 U.S. Air Force personnel; U.S. authorities later linked the attack to Saudi Hezbollah backed by Iran.

From 2003–2011, IRGC-backed militias in Iraq used EFP roadside bombs and other attacks that killed and wounded hundreds of U.S. troops.

In 2011, U.S. authorities disrupted an alleged IRGC-directed plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador in Washington, which could have caused American civilian casualties.

In 2007, IRGC-backed militants carried out the Karbala provincial headquarters attack, killing five U.S. soldiers.

In the 2010s–2020s, IRGC-backed groups have been linked to attempted or foiled plots against U.S. individuals abroad, including dissidents and officials.

In 2019, IRGC-backed militias attacked the U.S. Embassy compound in Baghdad.

From 2019–present, IRGC-backed groups have conducted repeated rocket and drone attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria.

In 2024, IRGC-backed militants carried out the Tower 22 drone attack, killing three U.S. service members.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Here it goes....

Palantir is the designer of the lethal US missile targetting system that has ten years outdated data information [1],[2],[3].

For the love of God, who's the Palantir design architect that approved and relied on a single (outdated) database information system for mission critical missile operation?

[1]>In 2018, more than 4,000 Google employees signed a letter opposing the company’s contract to build artificial intelligence for the Pentagon’s targeting systems. Workers organised a walk out. Engineers quit. And Google ultimately abandoned the contract. Palantir Technologies, a data analytics company and defence contractor co-founded by Peter Thiel, took it over and spent the next six years building Maven into a targeting infrastructure that pulls together satellite imagery, signals intelligence and sensor data to identify targets and carry them through every step from first detection to the order to strike.

[2]> A chatbot did not kill those children. People failed to update a database, and other people built a system fast enough to make that failure lethal. By the start of the Iran war, Maven – the system that had enabled that speed – had sunk into the plumbing, it had become part of the military’s infrastructure, and the argument was all about Claude.

[3]>The building in Minab had been classified as a military facility in a Defense Intelligence Agency database that, according to CNN, had not been updated to reflect that the building had been separated from the adjacent Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps compound and converted into a school, a change that satellite imagery shows had occurred by 2016 at the latest.

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The school was located adjacent to (or on the border of) an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) naval compound/base. Evidence (satellite imagery, verified videos, missile fragments consistent with a US Tomahawk cruise missile, and geolocation) shows the area was targeted as part of strikes on that military site > Within days, the question that organised the coverage was whether Claude, a chatbot made by Anthropi…

This is how organizations like IRGC work. There is always a big campus like area where there is everything, including schools for indoctrination and new future recruits.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Are you trying to tell me that you believe that the Iranians were under the impression that this school was a secret that the United States did not know about ? This the the school's website https://web.archive.org/web/20250912011638/https://shajaresc... Do you believe that these military buildings were a secret that the Iranians thought the US and Israel don't know about ? > (Legitimate) countries at war aren't tryi…

You don't seem aware that Japan armed and trained it's population (Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai), men and women including kids, and mandated them to attack invaders. Another example of deranged theocratic dictatorship. The US doing a land invasion would have almost certainly resulted in far more "civilian" deaths. Also the Geneva conventions don't apply when fighting an enemy who doesn't abide by them. Its incredibly annoyi…

Sure, the easiest way out of your dilemma is to just declare everyone killed to not be a civilian, and define every enemy to be out of scope of any restraint.

By that metric there are never any dead civilians and no rules apply.

Kinda sounds as if you are looking for excuses to make these rules you yourself brought up not apply to any real situation.

I really, really wanted to avoid making fun of of your "gifted brain power".

Your argument is so lazy, I am starting to doubt your godlike intellect.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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We learned that Israel was going to strike, so the US decided to jump on board. Do we know how long of a notice Israel gave the US? What you're attributing to as a thought out plan of attack seems to imply plenty of time. I don't think it's unreasonable for Israel to have learned of the meeting with little notice, deliberated internally for however long, and then told the US about it with not much time. I could total…

May I suggest a better approach to that situation? Israel: Hey, we're gonna start bombing Iran in 15 minutes, so pick your targets! Time's a-wastin'! US: We do not give a fuck who is meeting with who when. If you ever want to see another dime, or another spare part, or another kind word , let alone have us actually do anything, then you aren't gonna do jack shit unless and until we're goddamned good and ready. Otherw…

You may suggest whatever you want, but it means nothing regardless of how sane and rational of a suggestion it might be. This administration has consistently demonstrated that they are not concerned with that.
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