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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by jerojero »

pbalau wrote: post #163
rvba wrote: post #145

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People who are reaponsible for Android all use Google phones. They dont care about android. They dont use it. They dont understand their use cases. If you are hired by a manufacturer of say cola, you cannot drink the competition cola. Those in google laugh when asked to show their phones - and then show iphones. In any other business they would be terminated.

I think an edit is in order, as your post, in the current form, doesn't make any sense.

He's saying people at Google use iPhones.

I don't know if that's true, but the times I've visited silicon valley I didnt see many android phones.

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Post by big-guy23 »

B1FIDO wrote: post #264
TeMPOraL wrote: post #246

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Cryptographic trust is a different thing than actual trust. The latter is what makes the world work, the former is a tool people occasionally confuse for the real thing, but actually is mostly opposite to it.

Look we are talking about computers here. Computers don't understand or exercise actual trust as you describe it. Actual trust doesn't make computers work at all, because it doesn't exist in their world. So you need a proxy for it. The security vetting, the authentication, the scans that are done, whether by Google Play or by F-Droid, are a process that tries to eliminate egregious abuses and basically curate the col…

> I don’t trust everything on play

> If you don't trust Google Play, that's a you problem.

When your lack of understanding is called out you devolve into rambling self-contradiction.

Two me, should I trust this app, that has “cryptography “ “security vetting “ “authentication” “scans” “code signing” etc on an App Store that you are praising ?

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/termux/id6738933789

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Post by B1FIDO »

big-guy23 wrote: post #282
B1FIDO wrote: post #264

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Look we are talking about computers here. Computers don't understand or exercise actual trust as you describe it. Actual trust doesn't make computers work at all, because it doesn't exist in their world. So you need a proxy for it. The security vetting, the authentication, the scans that are done, whether by Google Play or by F-Droid, are a process that tries to eliminate egregious abuses and basically curate the col…

> I don’t trust everything on play > If you don't trust Google Play, that's a you problem. When your lack of understanding is called out you devolve into rambling self-contradiction. Two me, should I trust this app, that has “cryptography “ “security vetting “ “authentication” “scans” “code signing” etc on an App Store that you are praising ? https://apps.apple.com/us/app/termux/id6738933789

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Post by [deleted] »

myko wrote: post #273
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #208

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> Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in no way better. What else is there, where is the advantage? This is incorrect. The IOS versions of social media apps extract way less data from the device than on android, and is thus more privacy friendly. Sure the best way would be for people not to use them, but if you "have" to, then it's better to use those on IOS.

I agree with the thrust of the GP comment but: > The IOS versions of social media apps extract way less data from the device than on android, and is thus more privacy friendly. I seriously doubt this. I agree that this is the perception but anyone working in the mobile space on both platforms for the past ~2 years will know Google is a lot more hard nosed in reviewing apps for privacy concerns than Apple these days (…

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Post by toxik »

ben_w wrote: post #134
karlgkk wrote: post #80

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Honestly, you’re so wrong about the app situation that it’s almost staggering. iOS apps tend to be more stable, better polished, have better integration with system features (like the Dynamic Island), and even often have more features. This isn’t even an unfounded opinion, it’s a material problem for Google and led them to vastly investing in automated testing and quality efforts App addressable user base is another…

> iOS apps tend to be more stable, better polished It's been a while since I was last using Android, but first-party Apple apps no longer meet my standards for "polished". e.g. type this sequence into the calculator: [2] [-] [4] [=] [x²] [=] The answer should not be negative, but the app says "-4". The desktop Contacts app has been putting invisible LTR and RTL codes around phone numbers for years now, breaking web f…

-4 makes sense if you understand that the input -2 is a unary minus operation. So typing -2 then hitting square only squares 2, not (-2). This is the same in eg Python so I'm not sure it's very controversial. I agree it's unexpected, though.

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Post by clickety_clack »

onli wrote: post #56
AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in…

I switched from Android to iPhone last year, and this just isn’t true. There’s so many tiny issues with android apps that just don’t exist on iPhone, because the android apps have to work on all these different devices. You don’t even have to look for the kinds of apps you’re talking about because things like Safari and Apple Podcasts work really well. I know people have a lot of complaints, but things on the iPhone really do “just work”.

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Post by Grazester »

mystifyingpoi wrote: post #179
Grazester wrote: post #48

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So entitled. How do you expect Google to pay it's content creators that you watch if they didn't have ads?

I will be downvoted, but I'm not fooling myself. I don't care. As long as uBlock and yt-dlp still work, I'll use them. If Google breaks them, I'll resort to some automated screengrabbing + maybe some AI automation to click "skip" in a virtual machine or something. People will use all sorts of excuses, like the ads are about gambling, or contain viruses, or are detrimental to mental health, or whatever. No, don't use…

I will up vote you since you make no pretense about it.

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Post by onli »

anymouse123456 wrote: post #261
sghiassy wrote: post #150

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The YouTube app on iOS is superior to the Android app for one

This used to be true, but really is not anymore.

Also, I wasn't aiming at the official Youtube app, but at PipePipe etc. The great alternative Youtube clients Android has.

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Post by SomeHacker44 »

onli wrote: post #56
AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in…

Foreflight is iOS only. There is nothing even a third as good on Android. I literally have a one app iPad just for this. Sigh.

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Post by 0x000xca0xfe »

B1FIDO wrote: post #207
goldenarm wrote: post #196

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You're infantilising the users. It's untrusted by Google, but it's trusted by myself. I actually trust the Termux and Kodi devs way more than Google, yet they Google has been blocking their updates. Note that the term sideloading is exclusively used by mobile OSes. On Windows MacOS and Linux you can install anything.

What I'm talking about is actual trust. Like, there are cryptographic measures taken, certificates involved, code signing, that kind of thing. You claim that you "can install anything" on Windows, but that is simply false. The system's Driver Signature Enforcement will prohibit the install of unsigned or invalid signatures on device drivers. Windows SmartScreen will also give you trouble by blocking unsigned apps. So…

> We do not work in "trust me bro" territory when it comes to signing software, anymore. I am sorry/not-sorry to say. It is very important to have a chain of trust that goes up somewhere above "goldenarm @ HN".

If you so deeply believe in giving up user freedom and delegating control to authority maybe you are at the wrong place here, check the title of this website: "Hacker News"....

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