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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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>>> Just grab any man you see on the street, throw him in the van and ship him to the conscription office for processing. >> 1. This is a wild exaggeration: [1] There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets. > With the right papers clearing them of draft obligations, sure. So basically you agree with me that it was a wild exaggeration? [1] Also your computer seem to have a bug where its clipboard selectively rem…

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it's a wild exaggeration

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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> Given the payoff and endless iterations resources will be thrown at it and it would eventually get better. Allow the user to download and install it if it turns out to be great. Do not shove things down people's throat against their wishes, like an authoritarian govt. Otherwise you start to resemble Stalin's Soviet Union.

Stalin did not force anyone to install apps. He was actually a good ruler. He took over the country with a plough and left it with a nuclear missile.

>He was actually a good ruler.

You've read stuff like this before, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Death_toll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet...

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Maybe but there’s a fair amount of corruption going on in India. For example, they got caught spraying water near air quality monitors (at them?) to make the data seem better than it is instead of actually tackling the problem.

That's sadly how the culture is in India. I wish it improved to be more like Japan or China but I'm not sure how one can solve this sort of issue.

Same approach China is taking -- harsh penalties + heavy press broadcasting in the most egregious instances uncovered, with an emphasis on consequences for the high ranking folks involved.

You don't want to try to catch everyone, as then people do worse things trying to cover their tracks, but you do want to establish a credible fear of consequences that will shift the default societal balance point between {do corruption} and {don't}.

And it may take a generation, but it is possible.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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> that is because the RSS was formed to counter attacks on Hindus by Muslims in the 1920s. > Founded on 27 September 1925,[18] the initial impetus of the organisation was to provide character training and instil "Hindu discipline" in order to unite the Hindu community and establish a Hindu Rashtra (Hindu nation). > ....After reading Vinayak Damodar Savarkar's ideological pamphlet, Essentials of Hindutva, published in…

I do have a degree in History with a focus on India and British Empire from Berkeley. So no I don’t think I am being baseless. Hindutva is complex, the 20s were a difficult time in India as all the revolutionaries from the different factions were trying to imagine a future independent India. The Islam/Hindu divide was a creation of the British for divide and rule. And while Gandhi imagined a nonviolent basically traditional hierarchical Hindu society, Hedgewar wanted an organization that removed the bonds of caste and creed so that Hindus can function as a single unified front.

I do think Hedgewar won and Gandhi lost. Also please do understand all sources have biases including Wikipedia.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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https://sancharsaathi.gov.in/ Basically IMEI stamping because sim card purchase with ID has come to be viewed as flawed/compromised by NatSec types in India. Here's some additional context from a previous thread on HN [0] [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40476498 ------ Edit: Can't reply Lots of old phones still exist, so a virtual/eSIM does nothing to give visibility into those devices. Also, India wants t…

India has not been antagonistic or ambivalent in its recent past, until a Nobel Peace Prize aspirant in the WH decided to take a machete to relations that both countries had been building for the last 25 years, with largely bipartisan support in both countries. Even the current Indian govt is quite pro US until the aspirant tanked that relationship. And yes, there will be times India doesn't agree with the US, and th…

> India has not been antagonistic or ambivalent in its recent past...

Yep, but stuff can change rapidly.

From 1972-1992 it was China that used to be the pillar of the America's Asia strategy as a bulwark against the USSR, with US soldiers posted in Xinjiang monitoring the USSR [0], US government sponsored tech transfers and scientific collaboration [1], American support for Chinese military modernization [2][3], and expanded economic cooperation [4].

Yet by the late 2000s, that relation degraded into a competitive relationship that has become the cold war that it is today because by the 1990s US and Chinese ambitions became misaligned - especially following US sanctions due to the Tienanmen Massacre [5], Clinton's pivot to newly democratic Taiwan [6], and Chinese attempts at industrial espionage [7].

The US and India are not fully aligned because neither American nor Indian policymakers have significant exposure to either and remain extremely insular (eg. Stanford and Penn are the only American universities with a competitive program on Contemporary Indian politics and foreign policy, and there are only at most 20 American scholars on contemporary Indian policy - it was the same during my time in the early 2010s with regards to China, except instead of Penn it was Harvard), and that's why the US-India relationship has been in a tailspin for the past couple years. The US-India relationship are now in the equivalent position as that of the US and China in the late 1990s to early 2000s era, and are largely predicated on mutual competition against China.

Snafus like the RAW-backed Nijjar assassination as well as the US's support for Asim Munir highlights how the relationship is starting to fray. If alignment is not found within the next few years, the relationship will become competitive and potentially antagonistic in nature because India will start feeling that the US is encircling India just like China, and the US will start viewing India as "rocking the boat".

[0] - https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/18/world/us-and-peking-join-...

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93China_Agreement_o...

[2] - https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/17/world/us-decides-to-sell-...

[3] - https://www.nytimes.com/1979/10/04/archives/study-urges-us-a...

[4] - https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/26/business/us-china-investm...

[5] - https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/05/world/the-west-condemns-t...

[6] - https://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/10/world/clinton-is-expected...

[7] - https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/world/as...

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> I'm shocked India is currently run by a nationalist regime headed by the so called "butcher of Gujarat"[1], there isn't much that would shock me wrt to that lot's totalitarian tendencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Narendra_Modi

You might not be surprised, but you should still be shocked. Being struck by a heavy weight will shock you even if you expected it. We are allowed to be shocked by things that we abhor even when we understand their causes and probability distribution. Not being shocked suggests you no longer despise it.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Illegal immigration is a problem whether you want to admit or or not. Just allow the amount of legal immigrants needed. Saying illegal immigration is not a problem is just as much of a smokescreen as saying immigrants are "the" problem.

Ah, well if it's a problem, it should be trivially easy for you to illustrate how exactly it's a problem, using hard facts and numbers. I earnestly invite you to do so!

It's a problem insofar as it exists and is illegal. I'm no fan of the current administration, but the Biden admin just plain refused to execute the laws. That seems problematic to me for an executive branch.

I have no problem with uncapped migration, but to flat out refuse to enforce the law is a bit ridiculous. What should be done is simple: Congress should just pass a law like is expected of the Legislative branch that says all immigrants are welcome.

As an added benefit, it would get rid of the illegal wages overnight. Americans complain that illegals are taking their jobs, but they're only taking the ones that aren't filled by US laborers. And US laborers can't legally compete with illegals if illegals are being paid less than minimum wage.

A single, simple, straight-forward law could fix all those issues with the stroke of a pen.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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This was proven not true many years ago by the Supreme Court well before he was in power. Just rage bait.

The investigation couldn’t anything against the autogratic guy who said the following about the incident. - When asked if there is anything he regrets not doing during the riots to save lives? He answered: He could have managed the media better. The interviewer gave him a moment to say the right thing. He didn’t change his statement. - When asked if he

yes because he felt they did everything they could to prevent islamists fanning the flames, next?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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This was proven not true many years ago by the Supreme Court well before he was in power. Just rage bait.

It's not rage bait, lol, this was a very famous incident, led to him being banned from the US, and he went on an extremely inflammatory "yatra" around mostly Northern India (where Hindutva has sway) further inflaming tensions right after the incident, which is shown very well in the documentary "Final Solution" (which was also banned in India)

yes and it was overturned when they realised it was faked by the opposition

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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> I'm shocked India is currently run by a nationalist regime headed by the so called "butcher of Gujarat"[1], there isn't much that would shock me wrt to that lot's totalitarian tendencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Narendra_Modi

Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

Every time someone fearmongers "Digital ID" I always tap this sign

https://www.eid.admin.ch/en

The issue is not about "Digital ID" it's about having a good ecosystem that is both open and secure. I don't want all my tax money being spent on a private company implementing a horrible software solution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal

I trust my government more than mega software firms who have no accountability or recourse

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