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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by sofixa »

gclawes wrote: post #529
amarant wrote: post #242

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How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

It's not really that a digital ID can be used to spy on people (governments can already do this to a pretty large degree without needing spyware). It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you. If your digital ID is controlled centrally by the government (the guys that are watching most things you do already), and you need your…

> It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you.

How is it a permission system? It's a way to prove your identity safely, online. No proposal/implementation that I'm aware of (maybe outside of China, but I'm not familiar enough) that actually conditionally does so based on preconditions and blocks you from actions. It would probably be actively illegal to do so in multiple countries.

> But these things are not tied into every aspect of your life (your bank doesn't necessarily know how many miles you've driven this year)

I mean, that's not true. LexisNexis is the company many car vendors send your driving data to, to be bought by insurance companies to do adaptive pricing. Banks don't necessarily need that data, but if they did, they could buy it too.

Which is why it's better if it's the government - there can be laws, regulations, pressure, judicial reviews to ensure that only legitimate uses are fine, and no such discrimination is legal. Take a look at credit scores in the US - they're run by private for profit companies, sold to whoever wants them, so credit scores have become a genuine barrier to employment, housing, etc. If this were managed by a state entity (like in France, Banque de France stores all loan data, and when someone wants to give you a loan, they check with them what your current debts are, and if you have defaulted on any recently; that's the only data they can get and use), there could be strong controls on who accesses the data and uses it for what.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by Y_Y »

sofixa wrote: post #605
Y_Y wrote: post #603

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You don't have to be a racist to be accused of racism.

"said something racist" is what OP said

Indeed, but I inferred the meaning of "something racist [in the judgement of the authorities]".

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Post by sofixa »

ekianjo wrote: post #527
ace32229 wrote: post #509

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Digital ID makes no difference to this whatsoever. If a government wanted to cut you off from utilities they could make it happen within hours already. Same with conscription, which needless to say was invented and effectively implemented prior to the invention of digital anything.

> Digital ID makes no difference to this whatsoever. Of course it does. It makes it possible to track exactly where you are and what you are doing. So it pushes the balance of power towards the authorities.

> It makes it possible to track exactly where you are and what you are doing

No??? What do you imagine, that every single transaction you make, like buying bread, will require a Digital ID? Why on earth would you imagine that?

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Post by wongogue »

amriksohata wrote: post #454
MonkeyClub wrote: post #155

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> I'm shocked India is currently run by a nationalist regime headed by the so called "butcher of Gujarat"[1], there isn't much that would shock me wrt to that lot's totalitarian tendencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Narendra_Modi

This was proven not true many years ago by the Supreme Court well before he was in power. Just rage bait.

The investigation couldn’t anything against the autogratic guy who said the following about the incident.

- When asked if there is anything he regrets not doing during the riots to save lives? He answered: He could have managed the media better. The interviewer gave him a moment to say the right thing. He didn’t change his statement.

- When asked if he

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Post by sofixa »

zug_zug wrote: post #270
amarant wrote: post #261

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Again,I struggle to think of how it'd be used gather any data not already available. Yes it's selling point is convenience. Convenience is good. In this particular case I disagree that there's a price in privacy. At least currently, and the way the Swedish electronic ID is implemented, I don't see it. With other variations there might be problems of course, though I'd worry more about someone messing up the security…

I used to think like that. Now in my country we have a president who would use that to deport or target political opponents, track people who criticize Israel, etc. You can never put the genie back in the bottle and you never know who will be in charge in 20 years

> Now in my country we have a president who would use that to deport or target political opponents, track people who criticize Israel

He can already do that?

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Post by pessimizer »

mcdonje wrote: post #590
gclawes wrote: post #529

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It's not really that a digital ID can be used to spy on people (governments can already do this to a pretty large degree without needing spyware). It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you. If your digital ID is controlled centrally by the government (the guys that are watching most things you do already), and you need your…

I was with you until your 3rd paragraph. Why are you carrying water for climate change accelerationists and racists? The examples don't even make sense historically. Haven't you noticed that most governments are failing to decarbonize, and government force against citizens is usually against the left?

Because in a free country you have the right to be a climate skeptic and a racist?

Being a racist is mostly useless and self-serving, but if you make any particular scientific position illegal, it's identical to having state defined science. That's how we got people passing bills to define pi and Lysenkoism. It's how we institutionalized chattel slavery and sometimes teaching black people to read punishable by death.

The goal of government isn't to promote your "correct" opinions. The goal of government should be summarize the beliefs of a fully-informed public in order to act on their behalf.

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Post by faidit »

vbezhenar wrote: post #484
faidit wrote: post #460

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The nuclear missile was developed under Khrushchev, who was actually decent. Stalin brought back the Czarist internal passport system, Russian chauvinism, racial discrimination and prison slavery, enriched a new oligarchy, his police killed most of Lenin's politburo and thousands of other good Communists on false charges, and he almost lost Moscow to a fascist incel armed with Panzer IIs, despite the superiority of t…

RDS-1 (first nuclear bomb) was tested in 1949. Stalin died in 1953. So it was definitely under Stalin's rule that nuclear program was developed. It is fun to read about Russian chauvinism under Stalin rule, given the fact that he wasn't Russian himself.

Your comment said "missile".

Stalin ended socialist affirmative action programs (Korenizatsiya) that benefited Soviet minorities in education and local leadership. Russification policy and Cyrillization of local languages were enforced under him. Local Communist leaders who resisted the Russian chauvinist policies, like Fayzulla Khodjayev (the "Uzbek Lenin") and even the leaders of independent Mongolia, were dragged to Moscow and executed, which was a complete violation of socialist legality. Numerous Soviet minorities, from Chechens to Koreans, were forcibly deported to barren lands in Central Asia to make room for Russian settlers. NKVD records show that hundreds of thousands of forcibly migrated peoples died due to lack of food and shelter in the resettlement areas.

Stalin also said "I drink in the first place to the health of the Russian people because it is the most outstanding nation of all the nations forming the Soviet Union"

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Post by thisislife2 »

A government minister has clarified that the app is not mandatory but "optional" and can be deleted by the user is they don't want to use it - Sanchar Saathi app optional, can be deleted, says Telecom Minister Scindia - https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/sanchar-saathi-... .

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Post by rootusrootus »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #585
ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #580

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So what is your plan on dealing with wikipedia? I accessed porn in 2011 when I was 11. I played Postal 2 when I was 10. But no English skills at that age means not much came out of that game at that time except cat silencers. How many kids these days play 18+ rated games?

Do a few nude photographs on wikipedia hold the same addiction potential as an infinite stream of short form HD videos - specifically optimized for attention capture - on platforms like reddit ? I am not even sure whether I should take you seriously.

> a few nude photographs on wikipedia

It’s a wee bit more extensive than that. Videos, more than a few, and most of them not tied to a wiki page.

As someone who tried to run a clean BBS and later a web forum, I’ll never be surprised at the lengths people will go to share porn.

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Post by pessimizer »

Y_Y wrote: post #612
sofixa wrote: post #605

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"said something racist" is what OP said

Indeed, but I inferred the meaning of "something racist [in the judgement of the authorities]".

Racists deserve free speech, and our society is better for it. When racists are silenced, anti-racists become complacent, stupid, and ironically, racist because they lose the ability to recognize racism.

Defend everyone's free speech. Don't require the necessity of unfair accusations. The destruction of people's lives over unfair accusations is simply a failure of due process and the desire of people to join a mob for safety. You should hate that no matter what you think about the right to free expression and belief. Anyone who would earnestly defend mob justice led by demagogues and supported by people afraid to be targeted next has a particular demagogue who they back.

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