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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by givemeethekeys »

kumarvvr wrote: post #248
rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> solved by improved education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Delhi_car_explosion Planned and executed by highly educated, qualified, doctors.

I think the commenter meant educating people on how to not fall for scams.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by gxs »

amarant wrote: post #242
nephihaha wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

That’s sort of how all this type of policy is pushed through

Convenience - what you’re describing is convenience

It’s totally fine if you prioritize that over everything else, but my only thought here is that everyone should be crystal clear in what they are trading off for convenience

It’s convenient for the government too, tk have a single identifier to thread a persons entire life

We are, sadly, well beyond any expectation of privacy, but we should at least be aware of it and try to not make it worse

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by fn-mote »

rglover wrote: post #233

The more I see stuff like this, the more I think "you know, I don't think the world is collapsing, I think the old world is collapsing." Governments in their current form are increasingly becoming irrelevant (h/t to "The Fourth Turning") and actions like this prove it.

How is this demonstrating governments are irrelevant? It seems like it is demonstrating their continued power.

Steelmanning the argument, perhaps you see this as a demonstration that corporate power has gotten so large the government is being forced to react. I might believe that, but I can’t get from there to irrelevance.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by abhiyerra »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #192
nephihaha wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by ibejoeb »

zarzavat wrote: post #250
ibejoeb wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all happening really quickly, so I haven't been able to keep up. I know Starmer said that digital ID will be mandatory to work in the UK. Did he mention how that would be implemented? Is the UK going to issue and official device to everyone in country, or are the people supposed to pay for it? What about homeless, poor, and the provisional residents?

I assume that almost everyone in the UK who is able to work has a smartphone already. If they were to require digital ID for pensions or disability benefits there would be more problems.

Even if that were the case, by what mechanism are they commandeering it? That's essentially what I was thinking about in this India case.

Undoubtedly most people will comply, but there will be a few who don't, so I'm curious what the plan is to bring them in line.

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Post by tzs »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #149

I wonder if this will cause a reduction in remote jobs for citizens. Compliance with US laws like HIPAA and FERPA have strict requirements regarding access. Many employees use 2FA on their personal devices, which if passed this law would interfere with.

How would this interfere with 2FA?

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Post by N_Lens »

DeepSeaTortoise wrote: post #204
psychoslave wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem iscontrolling people at intimate thought level. Sure education is part of it. But state controlled device tracking everything they say, where they go and who they are exchanging with is also a tool to leverage on in that perspective.

IMO the goal is a bit different. It'd be just way too much data to track people successfully, even with on-device filtering, especially because everyone with ill intentions would just use non-backdoored devices for their malicious activities. A much more achievable goal is digging up dirt on specific people and opponents. In the end governments can struggle to justify how they got their hands on info about an affair…

I see that Hasan ref

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by rglover »

fn-mote wrote: post #253
rglover wrote: post #233

The more I see stuff like this, the more I think "you know, I don't think the world is collapsing, I think the old world is collapsing." Governments in their current form are increasingly becoming irrelevant (h/t to "The Fourth Turning") and actions like this prove it.

How is this demonstrating governments are irrelevant? It seems like it is demonstrating their continued power. Steelmanning the argument, perhaps you see this as a demonstration that corporate power has gotten so large the government is being forced to react. I might believe that, but I can’t get from there to irrelevance.

Governments in their current form.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by [deleted] »

amarant wrote: post #242
nephihaha wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by nrhrjrjrjtntbt »

more_corn wrote: post #93
Animats wrote: post #79

What does this app actually do, in detail? Anyone know?

It doesn’t matter what the app does today it can be made to do anything they want after the fact. Monitor speech, location, contacts, content, preserve evidence for prosecution, inspection your dinner choices or your sexual habits. This is on the far end of the spectrum of bad.

When the app is mandated installed then user permissions are also moot. It will have full access an app can have.
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