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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by aydyn »

Kelteseth wrote: post #78
lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

I didn't find any context for your claim so here is some reddit comment: So it’s true 3,300 people were arrested for posts online. What they don’t tell you are the statistics or context. The actual law for these arrests covers EVERYTHING online. These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech…

The arrest is the punishment. Here is a man getting arrested and subsequently harassed by the Police for 13 weeks for just posting a picture of himself with a shotgun in America.

https://archive.is/bH56T

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by ryanmcbride »

Kelteseth wrote: post #78
lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

I didn't find any context for your claim so here is some reddit comment: So it’s true 3,300 people were arrested for posts online. What they don’t tell you are the statistics or context. The actual law for these arrests covers EVERYTHING online. These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech…

oh well as long as it's only happening to some people no problem then huh? That's okay?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by more_corn »

Animats wrote: post #79

What does this app actually do, in detail? Anyone know?

It doesn’t matter what the app does today it can be made to do anything they want after the fact. Monitor speech, location, contacts, content, preserve evidence for prosecution, inspection your dinner choices or your sexual habits.

This is on the far end of the spectrum of bad.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by Angostura »

lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

Is it your view that no-one should ever be arrested for anything they say, in any context?

> There has to be a line.

Where do you draw the line?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by ivell »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #77
ivell wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like any business Apple needs growth to satisfy the shareholders. New growth would come from India and China. Apple didn't leave China and neither it will leave India. India can and will survive without Apple. Though having it in the country would be good for optics. The moment mobile companies locked down sideloading, ability to uninstall bundled software, etc., they made it impossible to argue techincally against b…

> Apple didn't leave China and neither it will leave India. India can and will survive without Apple They can both survive without each other. But neither is going to break the arrangement without a lot of pain. They have mutual leverage with each other, and that becomes particularly material when one stops treating India as a monolith. > India can and will survive without Apple. Though having it in the country would…

> Most people aren't content with merely surviving.

I think you overestimate the importance of Apple to India. It is just a company. And actually not the biggest employer or most tax paying one either.

Apple is not the only vendor in India and has also not the most sold phone.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by mc32 »

Kelteseth wrote: post #78
lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

I didn't find any context for your claim so here is some reddit comment: So it’s true 3,300 people were arrested for posts online. What they don’t tell you are the statistics or context. The actual law for these arrests covers EVERYTHING online. These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech…

Can you just imagine the amount of arrests we’d have in the US if simply saying really offensive things at officials was enough to get you arrested.

Using Carlin’s dirty words against others you dislike or quoting passages from historical books should not warrant arrests.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by [deleted] »

Kelteseth wrote: post #78
lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

I didn't find any context for your claim so here is some reddit comment: So it’s true 3,300 people were arrested for posts online. What they don’t tell you are the statistics or context. The actual law for these arrests covers EVERYTHING online. These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech…

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by tokai »

lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

UK has been self destructing for a looong time now. While things aren't great globally for free speech and privacy, I don't think pointing to UK as an example for anything makes sense. They have been on their path for many decades.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by hypeatei »

aydyn wrote: post #91
Kelteseth wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't find any context for your claim so here is some reddit comment: So it’s true 3,300 people were arrested for posts online. What they don’t tell you are the statistics or context. The actual law for these arrests covers EVERYTHING online. These arrests include those arrested for terrorism (if the planning/act of terror includes any online communication in the UK), threats of violence, racist abuse, hate speech…

The arrest is the punishment. Here is a man getting arrested and subsequently harassed by the Police for 13 weeks for just posting a picture of himself with a shotgun in America. https://archive.is/bH56T

Or the Tennessee man held in jail for over a month for a Facebook meme post: https://www.wtae.com/article/tennessee-facebook-post-felony-...

Note: this occurred in the US and not the UK but it happens here, too.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by guywithahat »

logram-llc wrote: post #73
lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

Do you have a source for the Brits being arrested?

I'm not OP but a quick yandex search (google isn't great for conservative news) suggests ~12k people were arrested last year for speech. https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru...

This article says 10k https://www.zerohedge.com/political/britains-speech-gulag-ex...

More broadly it's been a huge issue for a while, tons of articles come out of the UK for people being arrested for criticizing politicians/policies. Even more dystopian is it's hard to report on, because the police might come after you for talking about it. Germany is having similar issues, it's easy to forget most of the world (including Europe) doesn't have free speech

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