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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by MonkeyClub »

rramadass wrote: post #499
MonkeyClub wrote: post #494

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Modibhakting much? I mean, it's one thing to parrot stuff like "inflammatory, biased, agenda driven and totally irrelevant", and another thing to state your point of contention. After all, is it "inflammatory" to underscore discrimination and call it out? And, yes, I am posting under an anonymous I'd - and so are you, as far as anyone is concerned. I came to the internet in the era of nicknames, not of full PII socia…

Caught your BS and triggered you, have i ? All that you have posted are totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. The only possible reason for it is if you have a personal instigatory agenda so as to try and steer the discussion in another totally negative direction. As Slashdot named it, you are just a "Anonymous Coward" (i.e. Someone too cowardly to post their real name next to what they write) and a troll.

> The only possible reason for it is if you have a personal instigatory agenda

Here's another possible reason: I actively dislike totalitarianism.

If you're able to make a substantiated comment beyond the trope of "totally irrelevant", I'd be happy to entertain your opinion.

> As Slashdot named it, you are just a "Anonymous Coward" [...] and a troll.

Again, resorting to name calling and equating anonymity with trolling doesn't promote your opinion, it doesn't even elucidate it, it just puts you up as someone who'd rather go for ad hominems rather than genuine dialogue.

I mean, are you pro-Modi and BJP? Do you even have a reasoning for it that manages to elide all their shortcomings, or is it just fitting in with the crowd?

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Post by throaway123213 »

komali2 wrote: post #367
pfannkuchen wrote: post #363

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I don’t really get why people seem convinced that the government is removing protections for all citizens under a smokescreen of illegal immigration handling, as opposed to taking limited and temporary measures to deal with an unusual situation. My current interpretation is that they are fear mongering about violence because they are actually way more racist than they admit publicly, and might want to remove more peo…

> what are the odds that this problem organically appeared and then they happen to be able to take advantage of it? Quite low. Borders weren't open to fabricate an excuse to engage in authoritarianism - the excuse was simply fabricate, whole-cloth, with no basis in reality to justify it. There is no immigration problem in the USA. Large portions of the American economy are dependent on immigration, documented or othe…

Illegal immigration is a problem whether you want to admit or or not. Just allow the amount of legal immigrants needed. Saying illegal immigration is not a problem is just as much of a smokescreen as saying immigrants are "the" problem.

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Post by jack_tripper »

eitland wrote: post #508
jack_tripper wrote: post #501

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1. This is a wild exaggeration: There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets. 2. Why single out Ukraine here? Isn't this what any country does with people who don't appear for the draft? (Unless they can pay a doctor to diagnose them with bone spurs or something?)

> 1. There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets.

With the right papers clearing them of draft obligations, sure.

>2. Why single out Ukraine here?

Because this is the best example right now that everyone knows and can somewhat relate to. Unless you happen to know any other western country currently doing this.

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Post by fragmede »

Saline9515 wrote: post #510
eru wrote: post #471

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Yes, so you get all the downsides of > "Legal" protections can disappear in one evening, and then you are left with a centralized system, very practical for population control. but none of the upsides.

No, because with classic ID documents, the government doesn't know if I went to a specific healthcare provider, if I opened a social media account, if I bought a train ticket, or even where my bank accounts are (reporting is yearly, not in real time). Accessing all of this data is possible but bears a lot of friction, which prevents mass surveillance (or at least increases the costs). Once the eID system is set up an…

What is happening in China? I haven't been there in many years. There have been stories in the West about a social credit score system they had, but it turns out they didn't really follow through with that one.

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Post by ponector »

thisisit wrote: post #299
satvikpendem wrote: post #112

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> improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls Good one. Do you see how dumb the average consumer is? They don't know or care even if you try to educate them.

Same dumbness applies to people who are supposed to enforce these laws. Enforcement authorities will often tell you to settle privately - “just return the money and ask your victim to rescind the case”. They don’t care for average consumer.

Are they incentivized to care? Are they paid well?

Usually for police it is much better to not register the case and push victim to settle privately.

If they register they got more work and worse statistics.

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Post by lambchoppers »

ace32229 wrote: post #509
greenavocado wrote: post #497

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Your digital id is great until your leadership decides you need to be conscripted and sent to their meat grinder and the penalty for failing to appear for your death sentence is being cut off from food and water because everything is linked. The idea of all these digital documents is never a problem until you go through the exercise of figuring out what it will all be used for (controlling you).

Digital ID makes no difference to this whatsoever. If a government wanted to cut you off from utilities they could make it happen within hours already. Same with conscription, which needless to say was invented and effectively implemented prior to the invention of digital anything.

You should maybe read some articles about modern situations where people dodged conscription before assuming what is practical today. The average person who hasn't thought about it for a week is certainly in trouble but..

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Post by throaway123213 »

kumarvvr wrote: post #249
MonkeyClub wrote: post #155

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> I'm shocked India is currently run by a nationalist regime headed by the so called "butcher of Gujarat"[1], there isn't much that would shock me wrt to that lot's totalitarian tendencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Narendra_Modi

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How many countries is India again? 4 or 5?

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Post by SanjayMehta »

Aachen wrote: post #426
SanjayMehta wrote: post #417

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And your point is what exactly?

Presumably the point is what they wrote, e.g. "an app doesn't solve that. Digital literacy is a need for today" Not saying I agree or disagree but your reply comes across as passive aggressive to me. Not that the parent post makes pleasant insinuations either, to be fair...

When we're struggling with literacy itself, and people have lost huge amounts of money, and there have been several suicides linked to these scams, digital literacy in a passive mode is unlikely to work.

Bangalore is supposedly the most digital literate place in India. The data below speaks for itself.

Aggressive measures then might be justified.

It's very easy to make virtuous comments without knowing anything of the ground realities.

[0] https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/bengalureans-lose...

[1] https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bengaluru-man-lose...

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Post by eitland »

jack_tripper wrote: post #513
eitland wrote: post #508

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1. This is a wild exaggeration: There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets. 2. Why single out Ukraine here? Isn't this what any country does with people who don't appear for the draft? (Unless they can pay a doctor to diagnose them with bone spurs or something?)

> 1. There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets. With the right papers clearing them of draft obligations, sure. >2. Why single out Ukraine here? Because this is the best example right now that everyone knows and can somewhat relate to. Unless you happen to know any other western country currently doing this.

>>> Just grab any man you see on the street, throw him in the van and ship him to the conscription office for processing.

>> 1. This is a wild exaggeration:[1] There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets.

> With the right papers clearing them of draft obligations, sure.

So basically you agree with me that it was a wild exaggeration?

[1] Also your computer seem to have a bug where its clipboard selectively remove words (see the part in italics) from the text you quote without inserting ellipsis or any kind of marker to indicate it. The alternative would be that you very deliberately misrepresent what I wrote and that wouldn't be a nice thing to accuse you of.

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