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Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

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I've seen people expressing full blown communist economic views here without being banned so I suspect your ban was for something else entirely.

It very is important how you state those views. If I write "you fucking moron, how could you believe X and Y and Z are true. Idiots!" is gonna get a different response than if I calmly and patiently explain how X and Y and Z are founded on shaky principals that don't stand up to scrutiny.

Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

#73
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Let's take a second to remember that Pavel Durov is the CEO of a messaging company that doesn't end-to-end encrypt chats by default and does not provide a way to end-to-end encrypt group chats

He covered it in the interview in a quite reasonable way. E2E encryption, especially if forward secrecy is a requirement is incompatible with many important features: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qjPH9njnaVU&t=9583

You probably don't realize it, but multi-device support, group chats of tens of thousands of users, channels with millions of users and comments of said users. Attachments and history and search. And then a whole infrastructure for running bots and processing payments. And proxies to fight blocking attempts. All of these are either highly problematic or computationally intensive and practically infeasible with E2E on.

Otherwise, someone would have taken the opportunity and reimplemented Telegram on top of homomorphic encryption /s.

Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

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Well, do you? Where does the cynicism against the political situation come from? I think europes reality is much better, than the poisoned discourse makes us believe.

I am in Germany and I don’t need troll farms to poison my worldview. It’s enough to go to the local school where swimming pool is closed, because there is no money. It’s enough to go to all hands meeting at work to get new location in best cost country presented. It’s enough to try finding specialized doctor and realizing, that my public health insurance allows me to see the doctor in April 2026. I just don’t think i…

Yes, all of this is true. But it is also true that the poisoned discourse makes things look much worse than they really are.

To reframe it: changing these bad situations is easier than it seems. It’s not easy, but many people feel as if change were impossible.

I believe this feeling of hopelessness is one of the main reasons why political and financial fascists can rise. They yell that the world is falling apart and that they have the (final) solution. Russian bot farms amplify this narrative, helping massively to weaken democratic societies.

This is an information war and Europe has been losing it for about 10 to 20 years.

Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

#75

It is weird that all he seems to do is criticize western democracies and push NFTs. Who is hawking NFTs in a year that isn't 2020?

Telegram and Durov have a different idea of NFT than you, I guess.

For them, it's more about enabling micropayments. So far, the only successful micropayments system was advertising, and it's a real shame we couldn't build better.

Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

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If he had written that Western Europe is moving toward China’s model, I would have had no questions about his tweet and would have fully supported it. As I understand it, Durov doesn’t agree with your statement — you can check point 5 of his 2014 manifesto [1] [1] https://globalvoices.org/2014/03/13/pavel-durovs-seven-reaso...

>2014 That was before the Kremlin fully launched its repressive measures against the Internet, and before he was forced to leave Russia for refusing to cooperate with the authorities.

Already after 2012 street protests in Moscow.

Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

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It should be noted that Durov does not criticize Russia, his country of citizenship and the center of much of his userbase. The Russian internet is far more controlled than the Western internet, with penalties up to and including arrest and death for expressing the wrong views. Russia also is actively invading Europe and sponsoring vast network of troll accounts which poison the discourse on the internet in Western c…

Exactly and what he writes about Germany is wrong: > Germany is persecuting anyone who dares to criticize officials on the Internet No you can criticize all you want. You just can’t insult them. Free speech is different in Germany than in the US. Insulting people isn’t covered by free speech. Whether or not that is a good thing is up for debate, but Durov’s statement is plain wrong.

> You just can’t insult them

Oh those snowflake politicians! When do they grow thick skin? /s

Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

#78

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He also has French citizenship. Perhaps he cares about defending those values where they are still viable. That makes him more trustworthy not less.

The fact that Putin reversed his stance and Telegram isn't banned in Russia anymore is all you need to know on his values.

It's covered in the interview. The Russian state backed off when they figured that the only way to ban Telegram is to also break large pieces of the country's digital infrastructure, because Telegram was using Cloudflare, Google Cloud, AWS, Hetzner address ranges for its proxies to evade blocking.

Now, Telegram is also an important part of military communication in Russia. Probably not that often for the chain-of-command, but there are dozens of channels that cover frontline news and war in details, and these somewhat independent media outlets are as important to the Russian government as they are to the CIA.

Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

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It should be noted that Durov does not criticize Russia, his country of citizenship and the center of much of his userbase. The Russian internet is far more controlled than the Western internet, with penalties up to and including arrest and death for expressing the wrong views. Russia also is actively invading Europe and sponsoring vast network of troll accounts which poison the discourse on the internet in Western c…

Durov left Russia in 2014 after he refused fo cooperate with the authorities (they asked to hand over personal info about pro-Ukrainian groups on VK), saying: >Unfortunately, it's impossible to run an online business in this country. I'm afraid there's no way back for me - especially after I publicly refused to cooperate with the authorities. What I'm seeing here is that for a lot of liberal Russians (including Durov…

And recently it was discovered that he regulary visited russia after 2014 and met there with government officials. Including having the Telegram blocking removed after one such visit

Re: I'm turning 41, but I don't feel like celebrating

#80

Related: Lex Fridman just dropped a 4 hour podcast with Durov https://youtu.be/qjPH9njnaVU?si=_pkEi-SDML08AASJ

Two intelligence assets talking to each other. Both have quite similar backgrounds with dubious credentials. A history of lying and obfuscation. I wouldn't trust anything Fridman or Durov say.
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